Tribute to our President Oboma

[Sneaks]

Politics and religion.......2 things that shouldn't be allowed on forums, other than those devoted to such subjects. All they do is cause arguments, hard feelings, and anamosity amongst members. One gets ticked at another for their beliefs, or whatever, and out go the name callings, kiss my ***'s, you're a tard don't know nothing.......
Shame too, cause usually when that happens, someone gets banned eventually. And that person who gets the boot, might be the one person who can help you solve that one problem you're having with your car nobody else can figure out, or knows where the best mechanic is near you, or can find that rare part you're looking for. Or they need some help with their car, and can't get it cause they done went and got the boot. SO it takes them either forever to fix their problem, or costs them a boatload to fix their problem.
But it isn't my place to tell people what they can, or cannot, discuss here. Just to make sure they do it within the rules set forth by he forum.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by Exotix

I see .. well, I've received about 20 emails from members (all non-posting lurkers) who have objected to my dismissal ... mainly concurring with what I've said all along ... 'everyone likes to hear my **** like this' ... with the attendant notion it's always fun when Ponch is used as punching bag ...

The DC is turning into another CF PR&C. If you are not one of them they turn on you like school girls. That's why I love screwing with their delicate minds.

Really. Voting to see who ges to play in their sand box.

If you don't drink their koolaid, then they take their crayons home and play with themselves.

[Z06PDQ]

Originally Posted by Garb55

I can neither confirm or deny these accusations Sir!


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perfect tea baggers. they have their little dumb minds perfectly ****ed up. "let's bomb Iran. Obama doesn't want to free the Iraqis. we're overtaxed" [when we have the lowest taxes since Harry Truman.] that's a perfect example of what's wrong with our society. they could be that fat junkie pig Limbaugh's own two sons.

[ChasC5]

Most of the people crying about Taxes never has or ever will make more than $250k in consecutive years in their lives. And the Politicians they are supporting, make more than they ever will and are getting Government backed Health Care.

Hell … being a Republican Politician ain’t a bad gig, if you can get it.

A - You don’t have to Vote on anything
B - You aren’t accountable for anything
C - And you have supporters who will gladly give you, what they are fighting against.

That’s a great Job

[Cobra4B]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

Most of the people crying about Taxes never has or ever will make more than $250k in consecutive years in their lives.

What's your point? Some of us who don't make that kind of money still understand basic economic principles and the fact that some are better than others.

Most people will then site the fact that the income divide is wider than ever before. But it's not something our income tax policy can solve. It's really quite simple.... the shrinking of the middle class is due to our transition to a service-sector economy. I said it in another thread, but capital had no feelings, it's just economic energy and follows the path of least resistance.

The "rich" who invest and create happen to have more opportunities to invest in other countries than they did in the past... so in effect the "rich" are getting richer and other countries with more attractive environments are developing a middle class. The approximate net gain to the entire global economy is the same, but it's not all in America.

So what do you do? You incentivise countries to invest in America, and you create a workforce that can compete with the rest of the world. Free trade with the entire world doesn't benefit America. We have a standard of living too high to pay labor costs and still compete.

Make it attractive for countries to manufacture here and teach people how to work in a service-based economy and the middle class will come back. Taxing "the rich" and creating more programs won't do anything other than buy voting allegiance.

And that's what makes me sick about politics.... it's not about doing what's right in the long-run.... it's all about doing what's needed to get in office and stay in.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by Cobra4B

What's your point? Some of us who don't make that kind of money still understand basic economic principles and the fact that some are better than others.

Most people will then site the fact that the income divide is wider than ever before. But it's not something our income tax policy can solve. It's really quite simple.... the shrinking of the middle class is due to our transition to a service-sector economy. I said it in another thread, but capital had no feelings, it's just economic energy and follows the path of least resistance.

The "rich" who invest and create happen to have more opportunities to invest in other countries than they did in the past... so in effect the "rich" are getting richer and other countries with more attractive environments are developing a middle class. The approximate net gain to the entire global economy is the same, but it's not all in America.

So what do you do? You incentivise countries to invest in America, and you create a workforce that can compete with the rest of the world. Free trade with the entire world doesn't benefit America. We have a standard of living too high to pay labor costs and still compete.

Make it attractive for countries to manufacture here and teach people how to work in a service-based economy and the middle class will come back. Taxing "the rich" and creating more programs won't do anything other than buy voting allegiance.

And that's what makes me sick about politics.... it's not about doing what's right in the long-run.... it's all about doing what's needed to get in office and stay in.

That’s the difference between reading about economics or having Politician who know nothing about it, preach about what’s good for you. I happen to be one of those who produce jobs, and it wouldn’t hurt me or the business I control, if I went back to the taxpaying bracket I was paying almost a decade ago. In addition, it wouldn’t cause me to have to outsource my workforce or stagnate any growth opportunities.

People who move businesses, openly chose to do so, and those of us who don’t openly choose not to. It’s that simple …!
Sure I can maximize my profit by outsourcing or global relocation. But I simply don’t.

Economics isn’t Rocket Science or a Atom Splitting concept, nor is Job Creation. The Government isn’t going to put you out of business, stupid business practices will.

[Cobra4B]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

That’s the difference between reading about economics or having Politician who know nothing about it, preach about what’s good for you. I happen to be one of those who produce jobs, and it wouldn’t hurt me or the business I control, if I went back to the taxpaying bracket I was paying almost a decade ago. In addition, it wouldn’t cause me to have to outsource my workforce or stagnate any growth opportunities.

People who move businesses, openly chose to do so, and those of us who don’t openly choose not to. It’s that simple …!
Sure I can maximize my profit by outsourcing or global relocation. But I simply don’t.

Economics isn’t Rocket Science or a Atom Splitting concept, nor is Job Creation. The Government isn’t going to put you out of business, stupid business practices will.

You're looking at it from the Micro level.... sure, you say you won't do x, y, z, but you have to look at it from the Macro level. When looking at the big picture capital follows the path of least resistance.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by Cobra4B

You're looking at it from the Micro level.... sure, you say you won't do x, y, z, but you have to look at it from the Macro level. When looking at the big picture capital follows the path of least resistance.

Looking at from a Micro Level, helps me make informed decisions.

[Cobra4B]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

Looking at from a Micro Level, helps me make informed decisions.

Yes.... micro-level is correct for your individual business. But not for making decisions to run an entire economy.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by Cobra4B

Yes.... micro-level is correct for your individual business. But not for making decisions to run an entire economy.

Relying on advisors without knowing the details is what got us the Economy is in this state.

A wise Man once said … It’s not enough to be smart; you need to be resourceful and wise. This will give you the edge of knowledge and experience, which trumps smart every time.

~ I think it was me who said that.

[Cobra4B]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

Relying on advisors without knowing the details is what got us the Economy is in this state.

A wise Man once said … It’s not enough to be smart; you need to be resourceful and wise. This will give you the edge of knowledge and experience, which trumps smart every time.

~ I think it was me who said that.

You're completely missing the point... you cannot solve macro problems with micro solutions. My point is that at the macro-level (which all economies are.... it's the definition of macro-econ) capital is just economic energy. It will, on aggregate, follow the path of least resistance. This ignores the feelings, and motivators of the individual. So you can talk all day long about how you won't be harmed by a few % higher taxes, but it's irrelevant to the fact that it will affect the overall economy differently.

Then take into account the fact that tax revenues don't change with tax rates and you'll see that people naturally pracitce tax avoidance. The only way to increase revenues is to increase GDP by allowing the private sector to do it's thing. Government spending can increase GDP, but only in the short-run.

If Obama and the dems really gave a **** about doing what's best for America, vs. taking advantage of a bad situation and trying to turn us into a socialist utopia, then they'd be implementing and pursuing very different policies. Case in point the Obamacare bullcrap.... yes fixing healthcare is important, but now is not the time... you fix the economy first. I think I heard a pundant use the analogy that the Obama admin's actions were like trying to perform surgury on a patient having a heart attack.... you'd better fix the heart attack first for the other surgury to be needed or something along those lines...

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by Cobra4B

You're completely missing the point... you cannot solve macro problems with micro solutions. My point is that at the macro-level (which all economies are.... it's the definition of macro-econ) capital is just economic energy. It will, on aggregate, follow the path of least resistance. This ignores the feelings, and motivators of the individual. So you can talk all day long about how you won't be harmed by a few % higher taxes, but it's irrelevant to the fact that it will affect the overall economy differently.

Then take into account the fact that tax revenues don't change with tax rates and you'll see that people naturally pracitce tax avoidance. The only way to increase revenues is to increase GDP by allowing the private sector to do it's thing. Government spending can increase GDP, but only in the short-run.

If Obama and the dems really gave a **** about doing what's best for America, vs. taking advantage of a bad situation and trying to turn us into a socialist utopia, then they'd be implementing and pursuing very different policies. Case in point the Obamacare bullcrap.... yes fixing healthcare is important, but now is not the time... you fix the economy first. I think I heard a pundant use the analogy that the Obama admin's actions were like trying to perform surgury on a patient having a heart attack.... you'd better fix the heart attack first for the other surgury to be needed or something along those lines...

I think we’re on the same page but with a little different terminology for the same solution … with one exception.

You immediately divide problems into Political Parties … which in the wrong thing to do. These people will be long gone and the problem will still exist.
Also, you’re indentifying problems with words (Macro and Micro) that don’t come close to describing the real issue.

To make a long story short … if the problem was easy to fix, it would have been fixed. In reality, people really don’t want to hear the truth and the truth is, this country was in an all out free-fall on January 20th 2009, and the fact is, as of October 6, 2010, it’s no longer in a free-fall. That 20 month difference stopped what took years to create; regardless to how was President before January 2009 or after 2009. That’s a fact that can’t be ignored … or you can ignore it, but it doesn’t change any facts.

Now … you, me, The President, Elected officials and the American People need to DO things that continue progress … not go back to where we already know is failed actions.

[Z06PDQ]

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