Yes he DID, have to die.......

[Bucwheat]

I'm hoping they don't bring him up on charges,if they do I'm sure a jury would find him innocent .

[RED-85-Z51]

I didnt read the article...

Lets get down to what really matters to the media...

What race was the perp, and what race were the guards...and how marketable is the perps name?

[War Eagle ZO6]

[kingpin]

The security guard used excessive force.
If you are subduing someone until the police come or you can put them in cuffs and they die the chances are they have used excessive force.

The question isn`t whether the dead dude is an asshole, but was the security guard in a life threatening situation where he felt he had to use force.

[Yerf Dog]

Here's some info...

A store manager chased Calloway out of the Walmart at 1:30 on Sunday morning, claiming that he'd purloined two Blu-Ray DVD players. A security guard and two other employees apprehended him in the parking lot and knocked him to the ground. Calloway fought back against his pursuers, according to statements the workers made to police.

The guard, Jaiviere Pruitt, eventually placed Calloway in a chokehold and told him to tap when he couldn't breathe, according to WXIA.

Dekalb County police said that blood ran from Calloway's nose and mouth when they arrived and that he wasn't breathing, according to WSBT. He was pronounced dead at a hospital.

Walmart Shoplifting Death: Vidal Calloway, Alleged Thief, Had Multiple Arrests Before Confrontation With Employes

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by kingpin

The security guard used excessive force.
If you are subduing someone until the police come or you can put them in cuffs and they die the chances are they have used excessive force.

The question isn`t whether the dead dude is an asshole, but was the security guard in a life threatening situation where he felt he had to use force.

Makes no difference. He should be allowed to use any and all force he damn well pleases. Commiting a crime is a choice. Stopping it is a duty.

Life is about choices.
Choose to be good, choose to be bad.

If someone chooses to be bad, they have accepted every potential outcome and are ok with it. Otherwise, the choice would be different.

He "thought" he could get away with it. He has been educated. He died smarter than he lived. He knows...now.

I give it two thumbs up, four stars and a "like".

[vetteman9368]

Originally Posted by RED-85-Z51

Whats the National average on incarceration turnover on 16 time offenders, got to be in the 90% range..

Chalk one up for attrition this time

[FasterTraffic]

Originally Posted by kingpin

The security guard used excessive force.
If you are subduing someone until the police come or you can put them in cuffs and they die the chances are they have used excessive force.

The question isn`t whether the dead dude is an asshole, but was the security guard in a life threatening situation where he felt he had to use force.

Back in the day, whenever we turned some scumbag over to the local constabulary, the only thing that would get you in hot water was beating the scumbag after we handcuffed them.

[Luke@tirerack]

how long until walmart is sued by the perps family?

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by kingpin

The security guard used excessive force.
If you are subduing someone until the police come or you can put them in cuffs and they die the chances are they have used excessive force.

The question isn`t whether the dead dude is an asshole, but was the security guard in a life threatening situation where he felt he had to use force.

{Guard} "I feared for my life and for the life of my co-workers when he became violent after being confronted about the theft."

{Judge} "Case dismissed"

Originally Posted by Luke@tirerack

how long until walmart is sued by the perps family?

It's the new American way.

Do something stupid and sue everybody you can when it fails miserably. I'm sure it's already in progress with a dozen lawyers on it.

[onedef92]

and shit...

[kingpin]

Originally Posted by aerovette

Makes no difference. He should be allowed to use any and all force he damn well pleases. Commiting a crime is a choice. Stopping it is a duty.

Life is about choices.
Choose to be good, choose to be bad.

If someone chooses to be bad, they have accepted every potential outcome and are ok with it. Otherwise, the choice would be different.

He "thought" he could get away with it. He has been educated. He died smarter than he lived. He knows...now.

I give it two thumbs up, four stars and a "like".

I understand the thief is not worth the clothing on his back.
Saying he(security guard) "should" be able to use any and all force he damn well pleases doesn't change the fact that he has committed involuntary manslaughter.

[kingpin]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

{Guard} "I feared for my life and for the life of my co-workers when he became violent after being confronted about the theft."

{Judge} "Case dismissed"



It's the new American way.

Do something stupid and sue everybody you can when it fails miserably. I'm sure it's already in progress with a dozen lawyers on it.

[Fastguy]

Originally Posted by lander

The penalty for shoplifting shouldn't be death.

Seriously folks, we have due process here is America. You can't pick and choose which people get to have it.

[FasterTraffic]

Originally Posted by Fastguy

Seriously folks, we have due process here is America. You can't pick and choose which people get to have it.

Right, but they didn't drag him behind the store and execute him. It wasn't street justice. I don't see much difference between this scenario and where the scumbag, while trying to flee the scene, runs in front of a moving vehicle.

The scumbag was apparently combative and died as a result of the response his actions made necessary.

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

If someone chooses to be bad, they have accepted every potential outcome and are ok with it. Otherwise, the choice would be different.

The average criminal is too dumb to consider all the ramifications of their actions. So, you get what we had here. Dumb AND dead.

[RED-85-Z51]

Law breakers...takers, should not be given a pass to get away simply because there is a chance that detaining them, may kill them.

All the guy had to do was, walk in and NOT steal something....and he would be alive.

or

Steal something, and when busted..STOP, get to the ground, hands behind his head..and accept his punishment and due process.

His chosen path, however...got him dead.

Guard didnt use a gun, a knife, a taser, a night stick...it was mano a mano, and the theif came up short on mano.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Thomas

The average criminal is too dumb to consider all the ramifications of their actions. So, you get what we had here. Dumb AND dead.

Then I guess natural selection has chosen its course.

"Dumb" is not nearly as good a defense as "dead" is a deterrant.


Honestly, it's really is about choices. If you lack the intelligence to consider the ramifications, then you more than likely lack the intelligence to choose differently in the future and will repeat.

[ft laud mike]

Originally Posted by lander

The penalty for shoplifting shouldn't be death.

Originally Posted by lander

My bad, I didn't know those chasing him had a copy of his arrest records with them while they broke company policy that they agreed to when they took their jobs.

The person that killed this man needs to be punished for what he's done, so looks like GA will be paying for someone's incarceration regardless.

Originally Posted by kingpin

The security guard used excessive force.
If you are subduing someone until the police come or you can put them in cuffs and they die the chances are they have used excessive force.

The question isn`t whether the dead dude is an asshole, but was the security guard in a life threatening situation where he felt he had to use force.

Originally Posted by Fastguy

Seriously folks, we have due process here is America. You can't pick and choose which people get to have it.

You guys are wrong on this, the shoplifter CHOSE to: 1) steal (crime), 2) resist detainment (crime) and 3)fight (crime)
his poor choices caused his death, had this criminal made a different decision anywhere along the way he would not be dead. Place the blame where it belongs- squarely on the person with poor decision making skills and no one else.

[Iron Chef]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

It's the new American way.

Do something stupid and sue everybody you can when it fails miserably. I'm sure it's already in progress with a dozen lawyers on it.

Corporate attorneys should grow a set and sue the families of these idiots for damages.