Trapped Americans in Kabul: Sucks to be You. Meanwhile Brits Take Care of Their Own

[Chemtrails99]

Seems like most people have no idea who the contractors were and why they were there. Many people are there to do the things the military can't do. For instance, General Atomics drones get assembled and used by the military, but they have a full staff of their own employees there to actually keep the things flying. Aviation is highly labor intensive, and there are plenty of non military aircraft that have supported the military since day one. Those don't get fixed by the military, they get fixed by other companies. The amount of traffic in and out of the country outside of the military could account for a large number of the count. Most are not allowed to live on a military base and use it's security day to day. I know a number of them working in that field, some former military, but all doing what the military can't or won't do. But screw them, why bother insuring their safety?

As for the $2000.00 bill, screw that too. They GIVE that much to every wetback swimming into the country and more.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by Chemtrails99

Seems like most people have no idea who the contractors were and why they were there. Many people are there to do the things the military can't do. For instance, General Atomics drones get assembled and used by the military, but they have a full staff of their own employees there to actually keep the things flying. Aviation is highly labor intensive, and there are plenty of non military aircraft that have supported the military since day one. Those don't get fixed by the military, they get fixed by other companies. The amount of traffic in and out of the country outside of the military could account for a large number of the count. Most are not allowed to live on a military base and use it's security day to day. I know a number of them working in that field, some former military, but all doing what the military can't or won't do. But screw them, why bother insuring their safety?

As for the $2000.00 bill, screw that too. They GIVE that much to every wetback swimming into the country and more.

All true. Only TrollJeff’79 thinks contractors are scum and deserve to die.

[Dan Dlabay]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

Not US soldiers, but contractors and tourists?? He'll ya, they knew the risk of being in a war zone.
You're the last person that I thought would approve welfare.

I don't approve of welfare like the left does and I don't think there are many tourist there. There are a lot of people both American and Afghan who worked for the American military and government. What's happening in Kabul is no different than what happened in Saigon. My brother in law was a contractor working for the Air Force and my wife and her family was in Saigon in April 75. By brother in law was able to get out on a U.S. plane with my wife's older sister. Finally my wife and her family got out in 89 after being treated as a second class citizen.

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by Dan Dlabay

I don't approve of welfare like the left does and I don't think there are many tourist there. There are a lot of people both American and Afghan who worked for the American military and government. What's happening in Kabul is no different than what happened in Saigon. My brother in law was a contractor working for the Air Force and my wife and her family was in Saigon in April 75. By brother in law was able to get out on a U.S. plane with my wife's older sister. Finally my wife and her family got out in 89 after being treated as a second class citizen.

Easier to light a match outside in a Hurricane than trying to make a Liberal understand simple facts.

[ZipZap]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

Not US soldiers, but contractors and tourists?? He'll ya, they knew the risk of being in a war zone.
You're the last person that I thought would approve welfare.

Just let God sort it out...

[Dan47]

Originally Posted by Chemtrails99

Seems like most people have no idea who the contractors were and why they were there. Many people are there to do the things the military can't do. For instance, General Atomics drones get assembled and used by the military, but they have a full staff of their own employees there to actually keep the things flying. Aviation is highly labor intensive, and there are plenty of non military aircraft that have supported the military since day one. Those don't get fixed by the military, they get fixed by other companies. The amount of traffic in and out of the country outside of the military could account for a large number of the count. Most are not allowed to live on a military base and use it's security day to day. I know a number of them working in that field, some former military, but all doing what the military can't or won't do. But screw them, why bother insuring their safety?

As for the $2000.00 bill, screw that too. They GIVE that much to every wetback swimming into the country and more.

Why is it like that? Doesn't make any sense if they are so important to the mission. Feels like another "privatize the profits and socialize the losses" skit to me but I'll read your thoughts on why that isn't true, if it's isn't?

[Dan47]

Originally Posted by Dan Dlabay

I don't approve of welfare like the left does and I don't think there are many tourist there. There are a lot of people both American and Afghan who worked for the American military and government. What's happening in Kabul is no different than what happened in Saigon. My brother in law was a contractor working for the Air Force and my wife and her family was in Saigon in April 75. By brother in law was able to get out on a U.S. plane with my wife's older sister. Finally my wife and her family got out in 89 after being treated as a second class citizen.

The American government known as the Swamp and calling me a domestic terrorist for questioning the election and such? Hard to feel sorry for those folks.

[ZipZap]

Originally Posted by Dan47

Why is it like that? Doesn't make any sense if they are so important to the mission. Feels like another "privatize the profits and socialize the losses" skit to me but I'll read your thoughts on why that isn't true, if it's isn't?

The max size of the military force is set by law. While I agree that contractors are a large budget sink, they provide much needed support. In addition, many of the contractors provide better expertise and continuity to the mission. When the military decided on a policy that looks like move, or get out, contractors were the only long term knowledge and expertise that existed. I have no idea whether there was contractor influence in moving this direction, but now it is what it is.

[Dan47]

Originally Posted by ZipZap

The max size of the military force is set by law. While I agree that contractors are a large budget sink, they provide much needed support. In addition, many of the contractors provide better expertise and continuity to the mission. When the military decided on a policy that looks like move, or get out, contractors were the only long term knowledge and expertise that existed. I have no idea whether there was contractor influence in moving this direction, but now it is what it is.

Sounds like they should have avoided those jobs then. If occupying another Country or Countries, required a bigger military, it should have been increased to reflect the mission not this nonsense.

I'll state this again, this is the same government / people pulling all the other bullshit on us. Hard to feel sorry for these people.

[ZipZap]

Originally Posted by Dan47

Sounds like they should have avoided those jobs then. If occupying another Country or Countries, required a bigger military, it should have been increased to reflect the mission not this nonsense.

I'll state this again, this is the same government / people pulling all the other bullshit on us. Hard to feel sorry for these people.

They know what they sign up for, but they also have reasonable expectations of not being f-ed by the government. I sent civilian folks down range, always on military transport, with the expectation that military transport would bring them back. They were never abandoned like what is happening now.

[VatorMan]

Originally Posted by Dan47

Sounds like they should have avoided those jobs then. If occupying another Country or Countries, required a bigger military, it should have been increased to reflect the mission not this nonsense.

I'll state this again, this is the same government / people pulling all the other bullshit on us. Hard to feel sorry for these people.

WTF is wrong with you ? Contractors are there to support the mission. They signed up to be left unattended in the middle of the night ?

[Chemtrails99]

Originally Posted by Dan47

Sounds like they should have avoided those jobs then. If occupying another Country or Countries, required a bigger military, it should have been increased to reflect the mission not this nonsense.

I'll state this again, this is the same government / people pulling all the other bullshit on us. Hard to feel sorry for these people.

You're seemingly stuck in 1942 or so. The military hasn't done it's own thing for decades. Among many of the service personal it's a known fact that the military isn't going to invest training into a kid that quits in 4 years, so they hire what they need. I know of people who worked drones for the military and then got out. They had to get their A & P before being hired to work on them for companies. To a person they said they never had any idea the complexity and issues until after they went private.

I have no idea, nor do I care why this happens. But the military isn't a calling or passion to most in it. It's a job that they think will put them ahead. Somebody has to do the actual work.

[Aerovette]

I wonder what the bus fare is for the illegal aliens being sprinkled across the nation and I wonder how they got the money for their bus ticket?

[Torqaholic]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

Easier to light a match outside in a Hurricane than trying to make a Liberal understand simple facts.

Try contrived reality. They seem drawn to it like a magnet.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by Dan47

Sounds like they should have avoided those jobs then. If occupying another Country or Countries, required a bigger military, it should have been increased to reflect the mission not this nonsense.

I'll state this again, this is the same government / people pulling all the other bullshit on us. Hard to feel sorry for these people.

Guess how I can tell you never served in the military?

[Aerovette]

For anyone asking why there are civilians there...

My ex BIL drove a van back and forth between a hotel and the base he worked from in Iraq. I don't know the actual amount he made per year, but I know he came home rich. The pay for those jobs is off the charts and expenses are near zero. High risk, high pay.

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by aerovette

For anyone asking why there are civilians there...

My ex BIL drove a van back and forth between a hotel and the base he worked from in Iraq. I don't know the actual amount he made per year, but I know he came home rich. The pay for those jobs is off the charts and expenses are near zero. High risk, high pay.

You have got to pay to play

[MadInNc]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

You have got to pay to play

Think ya meen play to pay.

[Dan47]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

WTF is wrong with you ? Contractors are there to support the mission. They signed up to be left unattended in the middle of the night ?

WTF is wrong with you? You think many of these same people wouldn't come to our homes in the middle of the night, if they were ordered to?

Working for the Swamp is a choice.

[Dan47]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Guess how I can tell you never served in the military?

Guess how I can tell you're not a good guesser? (But probably make a lot of money via government contracts.)