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Old 07-10-2020, 10:25am   #1
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No.

Stop selling them military surplus equipment though, and abolish no-knock warrants.
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Stop selling them military surplus equipment though, and abolish no-knock warrants.
I'm just curious why you don't want to sell them military surplus equipment. I don't know anything about the subject, what are the pros and cons?

Also no-knock warrants, is that where they just bust down the door? I would think that would be necessary when it comes to officer safety.
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Also no-knock warrants, is that where they just bust down the door? I would think that would be necessary when it comes to officer safety.

Yes, and no it isn't necessary for officer safety..

It's complete and utter horse-shit.

If you have an active hostage situation, you can do whatever is necessary to save the person(s) life. But no-knock warrants are typically used for things like drug crimes. I don't care if some dipshit dope slinger has time to flush evidence down the toilet, it's less important than our civil liberties and our right to be secure in our persons and property.

No knock warrants = moron government employees, armed to the teeth, not realizing they're in the wrong damn house until the homeowner, and/or some of the police, are dead.

Police should properly obtain a warrant, knock on my door, make sure they have the right person/home, serve me with the valid warrant, and then execute the search in a professional and respectful manner.

People who kick doors in in the middle of the night with masks, guns, etc. are not police, they are thugs.
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Yes, and no it isn't necessary for officer safety..

It's complete and utter horse-shit.

If you have an active hostage situation, you can do whatever is necessary to save the person(s) life. But no-knock warrants are typically used for things like drug crimes. I don't care if some dipshit dope slinger has time to flush evidence down the toilet, it's less important than our civil liberties and our right to be secure in our persons and property.

No knock warrants = moron government employees, armed to the teeth, not realizing they're in the wrong damn house until the homeowner, and/or some of the police, are dead.

Police should properly obtain a warrant, knock on my door, make sure they have the right person/home, serve me with the valid warrant, and then execute the search in a professional and respectful manner.

People who kick doors in in the middle of the night with masks, guns, etc. are not police, they are thugs.
Okay, but what about the cases where they have to enter a place where they know the people on the other side are armed and hostile towards police? If they knock, they could wind up being shot through the door.

Also, the military surplus thing, I would really like more information on that.
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The military equipment makes it seem like a military controlled country. Police do not look friendly and inviting when in swat gear, carrying automatic weapons and driving up armored vehicles is all making it tougher for the average citizen to approach them.
Some of the equipment they get is very expensive to maintain also. The local town turned a bunch of stuff back in due to the cost of maintenance on it.
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Do we get to shoot people if they are?
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The military equipment makes it seem like a military controlled country. Police do not look friendly and inviting when in swat gear, carrying automatic weapons and driving up armored vehicles is all making it tougher for the average citizen to approach them.
Some of the equipment they get is very expensive to maintain also. The local town turned a bunch of stuff back in due to the cost of maintenance on it.
That partially makes sense, but they seem to be outgunned without it. Also, when they're armed with the military stuff, it's not the best time to approach them. I don't see them using it unless they're in some kind of situation. I have never seen a random cop on the street carrying automatic weapons and driving armored vehicles.
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Do we get to shoot people if they are?
Somebody has to protect the social workers.
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Somebody has to protect the social workers.

Might want to shoot them also.
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Okay, but what about the cases where they have to enter a place where they know the people on the other side are armed and hostile towards police? If they knock, they could wind up being shot through the door.

Also, the military surplus thing, I would really like more information on that.
There are numerous cases where the police have entered the wrong home. Or killed /maimed a child. I'm not anti-cop, I am anti no knock warrant though.

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In 2003, the commissioner of the NYPD estimated that, of the more than 450 no-knock raids the city conducted every month, 10 percent were wrong-door raids. That estimate came after a wrong-door raid resulted in the homeowner's death: when police broke into the home of 57-year-old Alberta Spruill and threw in a flash-bang grenade, the shock gave her a fatal heart attack.
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In another high-profile case, Detroit police killed seven-year-old Aiyana Stanley-Jones during a no-knock raid in 2010. Stanley-Jones was sleeping on the couch when a police officer's bullet hit her skull. (The raid was being taped for an A&E Cops-style reality show called The First 48.) The officer who killed Stanley-Jones was put on trial in October 2014, but the most serious charges against him were dismissed, and the jury deadlocked on whether to convict him for reckless use of a firearm causing the judge to declare a mistrial.
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Do we get to shoot people if they are?


Liberal, yes
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That partially makes sense, but they seem to be outgunned without it. Also, when they're armed with the military stuff, it's not the best time to approach them. I don't see them using it unless they're in some kind of situation. I have never seen a random cop on the street carrying automatic weapons and driving armored vehicles.
Cops in alot of areas look like bad ass swat team members... And they don't look friendly at all. I know a few cops and doesn't bother me but I could see why a cop dressed like that instead of a blue and white uniform on foot is deemed unfriendly and unapproachable. Some cities are reverting to non all black uniforms due to it(started prior to all this BS).
I think another reason to limit what military type gear they wear and their appearance is it makes an area seem like a bad area and people don't feel safe. IE if the cops have to have automatic weapons and tactical gear jeez must be a rough area.
Just my 2 cents.
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There are numerous cases where the police have entered the wrong home. Or killed /maimed a child. I'm not anti-cop, I am anti no knock warrant though.


LEO's are trained not to walk in front of doors, windows, or other openings for the very reason BB mentioned.

But there has to be a better solution to apprehending criminals than no knocks.


On TV the LEO's surround the place, and when the perp escapes out the back; Ziva knocks him out cold with one punch.
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LEO's are trained not to walk in front of doors, windows, or other openings for the very reason BB mentioned.

But there has to be a better solution to apprehending criminals than no knocks.


On TV the LEO's surround the place, and when the perp escapes out the back; Ziva knocks him out cold with one punch.
I've watched Cops the TV show. I know how this stuffs supposed to work.
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It doesn't take a phone call for me to protect my family. I don't care who, what or it is, you come in our home unannounced you are gonna have a bad day
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I am opposed to "no knock" forced entries by the police ... especially when, after the incident is over it turns out that the police entered the wrong domicile. This is further compounded when the legal resident who upon hearing the door being broken down fires at the unknown intruder(s) thereby initiating a gun battle between himself and the police. And then, the homeowner gets charged by an over zealous District Attorney for attempted murder of a police officer.

As for the sale of military hardware such as rifles, pistols, etc. I have no problem. The police should have comparable firepower to the anticipated people they are attempting to corral. Gangs such as MS-13 regularly use full auto sub-machine pistols as their weapon of choice.

Automatic grenade launchers and heavy machine guns (.50 M2 HB) on the other hand should be kept away from the police.
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I don't know who started this distrust of the Police by the public and this distrust of the people by the Police, but it has certainly gotten out of hand. Let me give you a true story of what happened in my City last year:

Two Policemen came to a man's house about 9:00 PM one night. They entered his house with a key given to them by his wife. They ran down the hallway with their flashlights and pistols drawn, grabbed the man as he was exiting his bedroom, and forcibly took him to the foyer.

One Policeman then went back to his bedroom and took all his weapons (a Henry .22 cal. rifle, a Remington 870 shotgun, a Ruger .357 Magnum pistol, and a Kahr 8 shot 9 mm pistol. They unloaded all of them and put the bullets in their pockets. All guns were registered, and he has no criminal record.

The next morning 11 Policemen returned to his home, found him in the workshop, and the SWAT team tackled him and threw him to the concrete floor, knocking him out. The Police refused to tell him what he was charged with and took him to the ER, where he was taken to the psych ward for 4 days. At the Lunacy hearing he was found to be sane and released.

The Police still has his weapons and refuse to give them back to the man. Turns out his wife had filed a Police Report against him, all false and for the purpose of committing him and getting his money. Did the Police investigate her Report? No. Will they? No. Instead they use their drones to watch him and follow him around in a Police car to harass him.

Someone with some sense needs to stop this over-zealous conduct by the Police and stop it's actions. As it is, the Poice are truly above the law.



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