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And by the way, not all of the 47% Mitt cites are people who do drugs, dropped out of school and had kids. A very large percentage of them include hundreds of thousands of out of work war veterans, millions of college students, and the unemployed actively looking for employment. The number of people you are describing and the right likes to portray as being the typical person receiving government assistance, is anything but. Sure, some of those people are out there, but represent perhaps only 1/5th of the population not paying income taxes. Quote:
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But the reality is simply this. There will always be millions of jobs out there that do not pay a livable wage or offer benefits people need to survive. Your side doesn't want to pay them more nor use illegal immigrants to fill the positions. So now you are left with simply two outcomes. Pull their benefits and let them fend for themselves, or offer them assistance when they need it. The amount we spend on real welfare and assistance - not social security or medicare but real actual welfare is a fart in the wind when compared to the total US budget. I believe its less than 2% of US GDP. And all of that money is reinvested into the community. Quote:
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If you wanted people not to starve, you would be completely ok with giving FOOD to those who need it rather than a check that instead goes to cell phone plans, TVs, and rims. Simple question. Yes or no. Do you really think that 47% of the population would be "starving in the streets" without the government check that they get? "Starving in the streets" is nothing more than a 100% bullshit dramatic scare tactic used to support buying votes and distributing wealth. If you really think these people are as helpless as you make them sound, you need to get off of your island for a minute and take a look at reality. |
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Um, second job or work harder and get promoted?
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And my reasoning is this; if all you've done is flip burgers your entire life with absolutely no ambition, and virtually nothing to lose you MIGHT be more inclined to commit a crime of desperation. Where as an educated man with a home, etc, and some ambition might think twice before sticking up a liquor store. |
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OK. This and other studies back up this study.
Let's look at your original statement this way. Those that are doing menial labor are LESS likely, in my opinion, to resort to crime simply because they are working and are trying to succeed within the system. They are closer to those at the "Bottom Rung" of the economic scale yet chose not to take the short cut to crime. Then look at the past 100 years of history and economic downturns do not have an increase in crime. When yo have other factors like prohibition, Immigration and massive social migration you see and increase in the crime rates. Lastly, To debunk Phil's comments that they will come into MY house the fact is when the animals prowl they mainly attack in their own neighborhood or culture. Last edited by VITE1; 09-22-2012 at 6:32pm. |
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...don't have to look any farther than any of the riots/looting that have happened for various reasons to see that. It isn't the suburbs or the rural areas that they destroy. You can be certain that they won't be venturing out of the city, and if they did, it would be to their own demise. If they decide to kill themselves because they are too ignorant to take advantage of the near infinite opportunities afforded them in this country, so be it. |
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What does this even mean other than you admittedly live in a World devoid of reality? That's as ridiculous as me saying that I'm not going to let the fact that I am a terrible basketball player stand in the way of becoming an NBA All-Star. Why would we ever pay attention to something like REALITY? |
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This leads right back to my post on utopia..."wouldn't it be great if...". Reality be damned. |
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Is for those that are at the lower end of the socio economic bracket to do the best they can? Avoiding drugs? Not drinking to excess? Graduating High School? Not having kids they cannot afford? Learning to be thrifty and always save even just a little bit? Or the Leftist Moral obligation to pay for those who fail to do the minimum simply because they feel its the "Right thing to do" with all the evidence proving them wrong? Last edited by VITE1; 09-24-2012 at 9:45am. |
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I could go on and on. FYI - Individual income tax only makes up slightly less than half of the money collected by the federal government. Quote:
The highest percentage of people on welfare are unwed mothers. Which when you combine this with the fact that your side still wants to abolish abortion blows my mind. Quote:
People with disabilities have made poor decisions? The elderly living in retirement have made poor decisions? On top of that, there is only so much income to be made in this country. Not everyone can be a millionaire. If all the sudden everyone became an investment banker, that job would suddenly pay minimum wage. The VAST majority of poor people are born poor and the VAST majority of wealthy people were born into wealthy families. Not everyone has parents that can afford law, business or medical school. To whom one is born is the overwhelming factor in whom and what you become. Quote:
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Of course you failed (like you always do) to provide any numbers showing otherwise. As I showed before, the numbers above are compiled from quite a few sources including multiple universities. IU for example: https://resources.oncourse.iu.edu/ac...e%20policy.pdf Now, I challenge you to reply to the following 2 things rather than just leaving the thread like last time. 1. Please, post specific numbers instead of just a listing of libtard blogs who throw out the argument that "more white people are on welfare" without ever showing any sort of data to back it up. This is very simple. Post up actual data from some sort of reputable source that proves your point. A bunch of liberal websites making claims without numbers to back them up is not data. A "study" done by a blogger is not data. Look at the charts and numbers. Every one of them not only shows that there are more blacks than whites on welfare, but that the gap is widening. What is also shown is that white people living below the poverty line are also much less likely to be on welfare. 2. This is so simple that meven you might be able to understand it. It requires a 1 word answer. True or false, a black American is more likely to be on welfare than a white one? I won't hold my breath waiting for you to actually show facts to back up your comments. Last edited by RedLS1GTO; 09-25-2012 at 2:19pm. |
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The single mother rate remained fairly constant for all Americans up until 1965. It started to grow rapidly after that time. Welfare was and is the root cause for the growth of single mothers. Yet abortion has been legal since the mid 1970's and the abortion rates are climbing. YET single mother growth is claiming as well. The ONLY thing that significantly reduced single mother rate was the Welfare reform act under Clinton. After a decade of decline it started rising again due to reforms, SSDI payments and the increased availability of food stamps and other benefits like section 8 housing. Your hypocrisy is showing. Why does the government tell us not to feed the animals since they will continue to reproduce to match their food supply yet they want to keep paying welfare? |
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