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Old 01-29-2016, 9:02am   #61
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It tells me Trump has the balls to say F you...this is a bad deal I don't like it.
It tells me he has the balls to stand up to China and the other middle east idiots. It tells me he has the balls to turn Washington upside down. It tells me he is not going to be a PC president......which is exactly what we need. He is no *****.


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It also tells me the MEDIA influence of elections and candidates has come to an end.

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Disgusting! FOX News-Google Invited Muslim Activist, Sanders Supporter and Illegal Alien to Ambush Trump at Debate - The Gateway Pundit
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It also tells me the MEDIA influence of elections and candidates has come to an end.

Oh, they will still have influence, but millions of people are finally waking up to just how badly these entities have manipulated the system.
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It tells me Trump has the balls to say F you...this is a bad deal I don't like it.
It tells me he has the balls to stand up to China and the other middle east idiots. It tells me he has the balls to turn Washington upside down. It tells me he is not going to be a PC president......which is exactly what we need. He is no *****.


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Like I mentioned, the guy in charge of creating the questions, his daughter is Marko Rubio's press secretary.
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If Trump wants to be President, make him prove himself as Mayor of New York first, or Governor. I've got to be making sense to some of you, right..?
Yeah, and being a Governor or a Mayor hasn't exactly been a great proving ground either. Same old group of lawyers that got us into the mess we're in.

I'm good with someone who has a proven track record in business to run the country. He certainly can't do any worse that who we put into office the last two times.
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For me there is not one qualified candidate out there that would make me completely proud..

But show me someone better, even one... and I will be happy to check them out.

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Who has less chance of winning than a goose.
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I actually vote Libertarian most of the time, knowing full well that it is a protest vote, because the majority of the voters really don`t want the messiness of real freedom and small government. I also voted Perot, twice, before I really figured out what a libertarian actually is.

Having said all of that, I am voting for Trump this go round. He is not perfect, but he`s the best shot at actually stopping our slide into a cesspool.

He is drawing from a disparate and diverse number of groups, as evidenced by his suport here.
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The Democrats went full retard with Obama, now it's our turn.
Probably the only argument for supporting him, I'll give you that...
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They are counting on you not understanding. I will be happy to expand on it if you are curious.
Feel free. But I'm probably not inclined to believe there's some master plan that Kasich and Christie and Bush are going along with...
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If he is the Republican candidate, will you vote Democrat?
No. If he wins the nom, I'll give him another chance to earn my vote. If he doesn't I'll leave it blank; he's no better or worse than Billery or Burney, just a different flavor of cluster-****. Congress and the courts will have to keep the Whitehouse from screwing things up; the best we could hope for is continued grid-lock.
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Same old group of lawyers that got us into the mess we're in.
Let's address the mess we're in. The economy? The recession happened because of the 2006 Democrat Congress, and I could make the argument that they did it on purpose. The recovery? Would have happened in one year, verses seven without Obamacare and Dodd-Frank.

The Middle East? Was far more stable seven years ago, before Obama surrendered two wars that were already won.

You can't blame where we are on Republicans.
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Let's address the mess we're in. The economy? The recession happened because of the 2006 Democrat Congress, and I could make the argument that they did it on purpose. The recovery? Would have happened in one year, verses seven without Obamacare and Dodd-Frank.

The Middle East? Was far more stable seven years ago, before Obama surrendered two wars that were already won.

You can't blame where we are on Republicans.
The ME was far more stable when Saddam was in powet and secular Iraq was the natural foil for Iran. Now? Well, at least we got Iran and Iraq to be friends again, so there's that....
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The ME was far more stable when Saddam was in powet and secular Iraq was the natural foil for Iran. Now? Well, at least we got Iran and Iraq to be friends again, so there's that....
Yeah, I've heard that argument. We don't know what the ME would look like today with Saddam still in power, especially under Obama.
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Feel free. But I'm probably not inclined to believe there's some master plan that Kasich and Christie and Bush are going along with...
Oh, but there was. First it involved changing the primary rules.

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States that hold their primaries between March 1 and March 14, 2016, will award their delegates on a proportional basis, meaning that no one candidate could likely win the nomination before late-voting states get to hold their primaries.

States voting on March 15, 2016, or later will award their delegates on a winner-take-all basis, meaning candidates will likely pay more attention to them.
Sounds innocent, right? These rule changes were specifically put in place to help elect Jeb Bush or, at the very least, Rubio. These are two acceptable establishment candidates, guaranteed to keep Business As Usual and support various Chamber of Commerce pet policies such as amnesty, the Pacific Trade Agreement, etc. They are made specifically to thwart a momentum/breakout candidate. They know Jeb isn't really popular, but with these rule changes he can stay in the race and potentially win without winning any primary up until Super Tuesday.

Keep in mind, they had no idea about Trump when this was done. This was meant to make it nearly impossible for Cruz or Paul to win the nomination. With them out, Jeb or Rubio (whichever won Florida) would mathematically win. But, here's the thing. They needed to keep certain states out of play of any momentum candidate.

That's what the placeholders were for. They were presumed to draw enough votes from people who may have been thinking about voting for the momentum candidate. That's what Kasich, Pataki, Christie, Graham, Santorum, and marginally Huckabee were for. Especially Graham. Can you think of one possible reason he'd run for President with virtually no popular support outside of his state (and marginal there)? They were also meant to muddy the field, keep early pressure off Jeb and possibly Rubio, and just plain confuse the issue. This was designed by the GOPe, carefully constructed, with just enough Super PAC money allotted to each placeholder to make them seem plausible.

Meanwhile, Jeb had over $100 million of Super PAC money. A staggering amount compared to the others. He'd be able to do huge media buys at the right time, and survive long enough. That was the plan. Trump screwed it all up. Totally, massively, and completely. At this point Jeb was supposed to be polling around 20-25%. But he could have been in the mid-teens and still been on track. Now, if he does poorly in the first 8 primaries, as it appears he will, his money supply is going to flat dry up.

There's much much more to this construction they GOPe put into place for this election. Much more. This is the 100 mile overview.

Let's put this another way. Without Trump in the mix, Cruz/Paul become Gingrich of 2012. Carson becomes Caine of 2008. And Jeb/Rubio become Romney of 2012. The rest were never going anywhere, although I was surprised at how terrible Walker did.
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Let's address the mess we're in. The economy? The recession happened because of the 2006 Democrat Congress, and I could make the argument that they did it on purpose. The recovery? Would have happened in one year, verses seven without Obamacare and Dodd-Frank.

The Middle East? Was far more stable seven years ago, before Obama surrendered two wars that were already won.

You can't blame where we are on Republicans.
The middle east was more stable under dictatorships. That's all those animals know, and at least brutal dictators kept them in check. We own that mess....and we can than W and his minions for the heap of shit we are dealing with now.
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Oh, but there was. First it involved changing the primary rules.



Sounds innocent, right? These rule changes were specifically put in place to help elect Jeb Bush or, at the very least, Rubio. These are two acceptable establishment candidates, guaranteed to keep Business As Usual and support various Chamber of Commerce pet policies such as amnesty, the Pacific Trade Agreement, etc. They are made specifically to thwart a momentum/breakout candidate. They know Jeb isn't really popular, but with these rule changes he can stay in the race and potentially win without winning any primary up until Super Tuesday.

Keep in mind, they had no idea about Trump when this was done. This was meant to make it nearly impossible for Cruz or Paul to win the nomination. With them out, Jeb or Rubio (whichever won Florida) would mathematically win. But, here's the thing. They needed to keep certain states out of play of any momentum candidate.

That's what the placeholders were for. They were presumed to draw enough votes from people who may have been thinking about voting for the momentum candidate. That's what Kasich, Pataki, Christie, Graham, Santorum, and marginally Huckabee were for. Especially Graham. Can you think of one possible reason he'd run for President with virtually no popular support outside of his state (and marginal there)? They were also meant to muddy the field, keep early pressure off Jeb and possibly Rubio, and just plain confuse the issue. This was designed by the GOPe, carefully constructed, with just enough Super PAC money allotted to each placeholder to make them seem plausible.

Meanwhile, Jeb had over $100 million of Super PAC money. A staggering amount compared to the others. He'd be able to do huge media buys at the right time, and survive long enough. That was the plan. Trump screwed it all up. Totally, massively, and completely. At this point Jeb was supposed to be polling around 20-25%. But he could have been in the mid-teens and still been on track. Now, if he does poorly in the first 8 primaries, as it appears he will, his money supply is going to flat dry up.

There's much much more to this construction they GOPe put into place for this election. Much more. This is the 100 mile overview.

Let's put this another way. Without Trump in the mix, Cruz/Paul become Gingrich of 2012. Carson becomes Caine of 2008. And Jeb/Rubio become Romney of 2012. The rest were never going anywhere, although I was surprised at how terrible Walker did.
To believe this, wouldn't you have to assume that all the Republican candidates were in on it; and the states, red, blue and purple, since they set their own primary dates?
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The middle east was more stable under dictatorships. That's all those animals know, and at least brutal dictators kept them in check. We own that mess....and we can than W and his minions for the heap of shit we are dealing with now.
Obama owns it, our presence there made sure the 1% of the population that are terrorists, didn't take over. When we surrendered and left, they were back in business, and then some.
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Obama owns it, our presence there made sure the 1% of the population that are terrorists, didn't take over. When we surrendered and left, they were back in business, and then some.
That whole process was started under Bush. Granted, Obama could have stopped it, but lacked the desire.
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