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Old 12-15-2012, 12:19pm   #41
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I'm still to poor to go on a gun buying spree.

I hope AR-15 and the like are still legal by the time I can afford to go shopping.
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I'm still to poor to go on a gun buying spree.

I hope AR-15 and the like are still legal by the time I can afford to go shopping.
We bought our Colt AR-15 in 1988 I think. Been married two years, quite poor still. I think we paid $500 for it new.

Try doing that now!
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I'm still to poor to go on a gun buying spree.

I hope AR-15 and the like are still legal by the time I can afford to go shopping.
The best thing you can do is to go out and buy a stripped lower. You should be able to find one in the $ 120- 200 range for a good (Spikes , CMMG ) to Excellent (Noveske ). The lower is the only part that is registered with a serial number. You can get the rest of it part by part. It does not take much to assemble a rifle.
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More bans that would have had no affect on today...
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I don't think he was really crying, either. And why the teleprompter? Couldn't he find the words to speak from his heart out of the depths of despair from such tragedy?

I would have called for America to come together in prayer and mourning as those touched by the shooting struggle to cope with their loss and grief, not pitch political hay via calling for another ban on assualt rifles.
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The fact is, evil , if determined enough, will find a way, and that scares the shit out of everyone.

Only when we forget that Greater Is He That Is In Me Than He That Is in the World. 1 John 4:4

Seven Things the Bible Says About Evil

byJohnathon Bowers|October 18, 2011

How can we reconcile God's sweeping control over creation with the existence of such horrors as cancer, famine, genocide, sexual abuse, tsunamis, and terrorism? Voltaire sums up the issue nicely in his "Poem on the Lisbon Disaster," written after the devastating Lisbon earthquake of 1755:


Ill could not from a perfect being spring,
Nor from another, since God's sovereign king.


His point is that since God is good, he can't properly be the source of evil. Likewise, if God is all-powerful, no one else can thwart his intentions. So we're stuck, it seems. Who's to blame for the suffering we experience? Though we lack the space here for an extended discussion, let's consider seven biblical affirmations.

1. Evil is real.

That is to say, we distort the Bible and do ourselves a profound disservice by minimizing the existence of suffering. God invites us to acknowledge our pain. The Psalmist wrote, "I believed, even when I spoke, 'I am greatly afflicted'" (Psalm 116:10).

2. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

In some ways, talking about a "problem of evil" is a false start. A better quandary to start with would be the problem of sin. How quickly we rush to raise a self-righteous fist while our other hand digs in the cookie jar. "Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Hear now, O house of Israel: Is my way not just? Is it not your ways that are not just?" (Ezekiel 18:25).

3. God is good.

Whatever we say about God's sovereignty over evil (and say we will; see below), we must never imply that God is corrupt, that he somehow nurses a dark side. "Let no one say when he is tempted, 'I am being tempted by God,' for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one" (James 1:13).

4. God ordains all things that come to pass, including evil.

God does whatever he pleases (Psalm 135:6). To be sure, this means he clothes lilies and feeds birds (Matthew 6:26, 28). But he also makes lightning (Psalm 135:7). He strikes down firstborn children and kills mighty kings (Psalm 135:8). Our God holds sway over the good, the bad, and the ugly. "I form light and create darkness," he says. "I make well-being and create calamity, I am the LORD, who does all these things" (Isaiah 45:7).

5. Man is responsible for his actions.

Lest we fall into fatalism, we should remember that God's sovereignty never excuses wrongdoing. When a man commits murder, the blood is on his hands. "For the Son of Man goes as it has been determined, but woe to that man by whom he is betrayed!" (Luke 22:22).

6. God did not spare his own Son.

The cross speaks to our theology of suffering in at least two ways. First, it shows us that God can will something to happen that he opposes. Proverbs 6:16-17 tells us that God hates "hands that shed innocent blood." And yet he sent his Son to suffer precisely that fate. Is this a mystery? Absolutely. But it is not nonsense. We can look at evil and with no contradiction say, "This is wrong, and God has willed that it take place." Listen to how Peter describes the crucifixion: "This Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men" (Acts 2:23, emphasis mine).

Second, the cross demonstrates that God regards our affliction not as something strange to the palette, but as a cup he has drunk to the dregs. By giving up his own Son, God entered into our pain. He knows what it's like to suffer loss. But he also did more. By putting his Son to grief, God turned grief on its head. "But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed" (Isaiah 53:5). This brings us to the final point.

7. Heaven works backwards.
C. S. Lewis writes in The Great Divorce, "They say of some temporal suffering, 'No future bliss can make up for it,' not knowing that Heaven, once attained, will work backwards and turn even that agony into a glory."

Lewis is not being novel here. He is simply restating what Christians have hoped in for centuries, the promise that gives all our suffering purpose: "For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal" (2 Corinthians 4:17-18).
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Legally you cannot poses or bring in a hand gun under any circumstances without a hard to get permit. You would need 6 months residency before you applied for a permit. Depending on what county you would need between 2 to 8 months or so to get the OK if they give it at all!. (This bullshit affects a lot of military that goes to West Point) Again depending on the county/judge even if it says carry it might have a lot of limiting restrictions.

Many legal type rifles and shotguns you could bring in but be aware NY has its own AWB and magazines (handgun also) must be pre ban to be over 10 rounds. Black rifles are covered by the ban so those that have stuff like folding stocks bayonet lugs ETC are also covered by our ban.
Wow. And those laws do nothing but make it difficult for law abiding citizens to purchase, own, and use what they want is my guess I'm glad I have only lived in places with "Shall Issue" laws for CCW and not so much gun control.
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You know what this means......
It means I am going to get my hands on as many AR lowers as I can via face to face private sales in the very near future.
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Why is everyone so opposed to additional registration or traceability?
Thomas, two points/questions in response to your question:

1. What would registration accomplish?

2. Do you trust your government?
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It means I am going to get my hands on as many AR lowers as I can via face to face private sales in the very near future.
That's my plan, too.
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Wife now has handle. Kahr Arms CM9. Not fancy. Goes boom when trigger is pulled. Added several high capacity plastic thingies too.
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Wife now has handle. Kahr Arms CM9. Not fancy. Goes boom when trigger is pulled. Added several high capacity plastic thingies too.
We must regulate the sale of "plastic thingies" !!!!
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The 2nd amendment doesn't say we can have guns. It says we should have guns.

The idea behind the freedom to bear arms in this country is for protection of the people. These crimes happen because the victims have had that protection legislated away from them. Gun free zones do as much to deter a dedicated criminal as a speed limit sign stops Americans from going 56 down the freeway.

I'm not saying we need armed guards everywhere. I believe we as American citizens have the Constitutional right to arm ourselves to fight against this type of evil.
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Thomas, two points/questions in response to your question:

1. What would registration accomplish?

2. Do you trust your government?
1. Absolutely nothing, so why all the opposition? Please don't say the fee's because I've never heard one word about that aspect.

2. No I don't. What is the relevance of this question?
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if only there were a forum for this...
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It means I am going to get my hands on as many AR lowers as I can via face to face private sales in the very near future.
AR lowers for REALLY low price! ATI Omni Stripped Lower Receiver Does anyone here know if these things are any good though?
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Crazies, criminals etc will still kill people even if there were no guns. It's that simple. This take a lot of innocent people with you shit. were the hell does that come from? Kill the person you have an issue with or yourself is bad enough, but kids?
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Crazies, criminals etc will still kill people even if there were no guns. It's that simple. This take a lot of innocent people with you shit. were the hell does that come from? Kill the person you have an issue with or yourself is bad enough, but kids?
I pray to God I'm wrong, but there could be several of these incidents nationally and internationally as the date approaches 12/21....

I know folks who are planning on staying home that day with arms at hand. And I'm glad our kids will be on Christmas break at home on Friday and not at school.

There's a flashpoint spirit in the air, as if we're on the brink of witnessing something.....unspeakably.....
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The best thing you can do is to go out and buy a stripped lower. You should be able to find one in the $ 120- 200 range for a good (Spikes , CMMG ) to Excellent (Noveske ). The lower is the only part that is registered with a serial number. You can get the rest of it part by part. It does not take much to assemble a rifle.
That's what I did. Got a Lauer lower on Christmas sale a few years ago (outstanding lower!) and built up my own! Waited for various parts on sale or otherwise on special. Got a CMMG lightweight upper to go with it and a STAG lower parts kit.
Assembly with CAA stock and Vortex red dot sight, good, folding BUIS, and was done. Total outlay was about $800, spread over 6 mos or so.

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The 2nd amendment doesn't say we can have guns. It says we should have guns.

The idea behind the freedom to bear arms in this country is for protection of the people. These crimes happen because the victims have had that protection legislated away from them. Gun free zones do as much to deter a dedicated criminal as a speed limit sign stops Americans from going 56 down the freeway.

I'm not saying we need armed guards everywhere. I believe we as American citizens have the Constitutional right to arm ourselves to fight against this type of evil.
Actually, I think the 2nd Amendment (all of the Bill of Rights too), say what the govt CAN'T take away. Not what the govt "gives"! These are inalienable rights, ones the we have merely by being alive. Granted by God, flying spaghetti monster, whatever.
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I pray to God I'm wrong, but there could be several of these incidents nationally and internationally as the date approaches 12/21....

I know folks who are planning on staying home that day with arms at hand. And I'm glad our kids will be on Christmas break at home on Friday and not at school.

There's a flashpoint spirit in the air, as if we're on the brink of witnessing something.....unspeakably.....
I hope and pray this does not come to pass. I lost my uncle yesterday. He said he was glad he would not be around for what is coming to this country and the world as a whole.
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