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Old 07-21-2011, 9:40am   #21
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And those that owned a house, but need to move out because their original house sold, but the house they are building is not ready yet?

And those that choose to save money by living in an apartment so they can save up an appropriate down payment on a home rather than financing the whole thing?

And those that go through a divorce, lose their house and move in with a friend or family while they get their life back together?

And those that live in Joplin, MO and just had their home destroyed by a tornado?
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And those that owned a house, but need to move out because their original house sold, but the house they are building is not ready yet?

And those that choose to save money by living in an apartment so they can save up an appropriate down payment on a home rather than financing the whole thing?

And those that go through a divorce, lose their house and move in with a friend or family while they get their life back together?

And those that live in Joplin, MO and just had their home destroyed by a tornado?
all those issues could be addressed fairly. And note, I said property...not necessarily a home.

so in your 1st example...the folks own property where that new home is under construction.

like any mandate or law...there is always fine print to consider.

my point is, and has always been...too many people don't own a piece of the rock but can vote themselves a piece of the national treasury.

Would any of you who belong to a corvette club...allow someone who does not own a vette and pays no dues to the club, the right to vote on club policy? And further allow enough non vette...not dues paying people, to vote themselves a piece of the club's bank account?
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Would any of you who belong to a corvette club...allow someone who does not own a vette and pays no dues to the club, the right to vote on club policy?
Membership in a club is not a Constitutional right. Voting in elections is.
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Membership in a club is not a Constitutional right. Voting in elections is.
never said it was.

but that club has it's own "constitution"...or by-laws, etc.

and like Tx said, you did not address my point.

I guess you just were not thinking deep enough
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However, you did not address the logic behind what Lars is saying.
I didn't address it because there is no logic behind what Lars is saying. That has been pointed out by two other posters as well as myself.

By placing a monetary requirement on the right to vote you are in fact calling for a poll tax. It's unconstitutional and would never pass the Supreme Court in any fashion. Now if you don't believe in the Constitution that's a whole different story.

What part of "Equal rights for all" are you having difficulty understanding? You do realize that is the single thing that sets us apart from the rest of the world and makes us a truly great country don't you?
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never said it was.
Please show me where said you did.
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FYI folks, here's a link to a timeline (pdf) on the history of voting rights in the US.

Just look at the first entry.

http://www.kqed.org/assets/pdf/educa...s-timeline.pdf
that time line also shows the destruction of our voting system...

and the country along with it.

my point all long is: there are way too many people who have no business voting...

unless of course, they are voting themselves a raise.
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Please show me where said you did.
you injected it into the conversation, not I.
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I didn't address it because there is no logic behind what Lars is saying. That has been pointed out by two other posters as well as myself.
please point his out to us?
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The Constitution could be ammended to support the theory.

You're dancing around the issue using current laws/regulations.

What's being proposed would be a new law regulation which could very well be added to the Constitution, thus making it Constitutional.




So you're saying every person in this country has 100% the same rights as everyone else? There is absolutely no imbalance at all and everything is equal. That's the position you are taking?
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Also, do you agree or disagree those who do not contribue but do not contribute (see my explanation above) are a part of the financial problem in this country?
Mark is like Bill O'Reilly...

pragmatic and "balanced" while waving the conservative flag...

when in fact, they are both liberals on most issues.
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Should being able to vote be denied by race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, hair color, eye color, or any other physical characteristic? No.

Does voting in this country need to have some more restrictions (there already are some now)? Yes.
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Should being able to vote be denied by race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, hair color, eye color, or any other physical characteristic? No.

Does voting in this country need to have some more restrictions (there already are some now)? Yes.
I agree completely...simply pointed out the numerous flaws in the "own property" argument made earlier.
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So you're saying every person in this country has 100% the same rights as everyone else? There is absolutely no imbalance at all and everything is equal. That's the position you are taking?
Yes, every US Citizen is guaranteed the same rights as every other Citizen. Radical huh?

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you injected it into the conversation, not I.
Injecting it into the conversation is different than claiming you said it. But I can see how you would fail to understand that.

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Also, do you agree or disagree those who do not contribue but do not contribute (see my explanation above) are a part of the financial problem in this country?
I fail to see how being a part of a financial problem should deny someone their Constitutional rights.

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please point his out to us?
Sure, here you go:

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5 years in the Reserves, 6 years active duty officer... stationed at times overseas. Being moved every year or 2 and constantly deployed it never made financial sense to buy a house so I rented.

Just to clarify your statement, you don't think I should be allowed to vote. Correct?
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And those that owned a house, but need to move out because their original house sold, but the house they are building is not ready yet?

And those that choose to save money by living in an apartment so they can save up an appropriate down payment on a home rather than financing the whole thing?

And those that go through a divorce, lose their house and move in with a friend or family while they get their life back together?

And those that live in Joplin, MO and just had their home destroyed by a tornado?
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I agree completely...simply pointed out the numerous flaws in the "own property" argument made earlier.
there are no "flaws"...it is a perspective not a bill before congress.

as I posted, there would have to be considerations in any mandate.

but it's moot...there is zero fuking way we will EVER get ANY kind of voting qualifier in this stupid fuking political correct world we currently reside in.

sad too..because lack of voting qualifications get us rotten leadership...just look at the current Pennsylvania Ave resident.
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there are no "flaws"...it is a perspective not a bill before congress.
Didn't realize something had to be a bill before Congress before it was judged to be flawed...

How about we go with "potential flaws" then.
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Yes, every US Citizen is guaranteed the same rights as every other Citizen. Radical huh?


Injecting it into the conversation is different than claiming you said it. But I can see how you would fail to understand that.



I fail to see how being a part of a financial problem should deny someone their Constitutional rights.



Sure, here you go:
like I posted...

you are a regular Bill O'Reilly
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Didn't realize something had to be a bill before Congress before it was judged to be flawed...

How about we go with "potential flaws" then.
fair enough

but I have shown that those "potential flaws" can be worked out.
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like I posted...

you are a regular Bill O'Reilly
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IMHO the "own property" idea was just one of any number which could be discussed and debated.

I see the theory behind the idea (as IMHO our founders did), but probably isn't the best way to do it.

I do like the idea of someone not paying income tax and/or getting money from the gov't (ie. unemployment, etc...) having little to no voting "rights".

Again, these are just ideas, of which there will be no "perfect" solution, but there is definitely room for improvement.
wow...

you must be one of them "deep thinkers"
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