Presidential Candidate

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

I agree; but no way in hell he can win. All Johnson can accomplish is to detract some votes away from Trump.

FYI;

noteable 3rd party candidates (that received any worthwhile percentage of ballot votes) for President, in modern times...



Results:

1996 - Ross Perot - zero electoral votes

1992 - Ross Perot - zero electoral votes

1980 - John Anderson - zero electoral votes

1968 - George Wallace - 46 electoral votes

[Craig]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

I agree; but no way in hell he can win. All Johnson can accomplish is to detract some votes away from Trump...

Trump's chance of winning is also almost zero. I'm voting for the best qualified candidate, I encourage everyone else to do the same. Neither Hillary or Trump deserve the vote of any thinking person.

[polarbear]

Originally Posted by mrvette

BUT you have to realize that the FORD family had the decades old BUX to bail out the company with their name on it......GM/Chrysler had NO such salvation family attachment, any of them from decades ago had moved on, FORD not so much.....

Unlike GM or Mopar, the Ford family still holds a controlling interest in the company. Meaning if Ford went under, the Ford family fortune would go down the tubes with it. (Bailouts only impact the bondholders- the shareholders always take the hit in a BK). Sooo... they had the good sense to pull the fire alarm, ask Bill Ford to step aside, and come up with a rescue plan.

Originally Posted by m and t's77

Actually he sold off other car lines and mortgaged other Ford assets to stop the bleeding and refocus on the U.S. market.

Correct. He sold everything that wasn't nailed down, and borrowed every last dime of cheap money that was available. You can do a lot with a $2B war chest.

[Stangkiller]

In a similar light to this thread, this country has a serious lack of respectable role models.

One day I'd like to be able to vote for president somebody with class, experience, and is a generally respectable human being.

In today's politics you have to sell out nearly immediately on all of the above.

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

All Johnson can accomplish is to detract some votes away from Trump.

You keep saying that, but it is not true.

[SteelCityBlue]

Originally Posted by Hoog

You keep saying that, but it is not true.

Isn't it true in Florida?

[Mike Mercury]

GJ is more conservative than socialist. Only Trump leaning voters would go that direction; not Hillary cultists. Johnson takes away from Trump, but not from Hillary.

Originally Posted by Hoog

You keep saying that, but it is not true.

Ok; right now - predict how many electoral votes Johnson will get.

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

GJ is more conservative than socialist. Only Trump leaning voters would go that direction; not Hillary cultists. Johnson takes away from Trump, but not from Hillary.

...again, not true.

Many, many Democrats can't stand her, but Trump is such a buffoon they feel she is the lesser of the two evils. It's the flip side of the "I don't like Trump, but she's such a crook that he's the lesser of two evils" coin.

When a third party is included....

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

Ok; right now - predict how many electoral votes Johnson will get.

Too early, but being in the debates is crucial. If he doesn't get on the stage, it will be zero in all likelihood.

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by SteelCityBlue

Isn't it true in Florida?

No, Trump's lead grows.

An Aug. 17-22 Florida Chamber Political Institute statewide poll Trump edging out Hillary Clinton in Florida, 44 percent to 43 percent, in a two-way match up, and 44 percent to 41 percent to 9 percent when Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson is included. The margin of error is plus or minus 4 percent.

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by Hoog

No, Trump's lead grows.

The polls really mean squat to me. I've taken a couple of required Stats classes and the biggest thing I learned was you can make them say what you want. The thing I'm worried more about is the shit bag stealing the election through vote altering. There's already reports of "International" hacking/tampering of the vote. I put the quotes because I wouldn't put it behind the Ds/supporters to be behind this. I do know this; the election of Hillary means so much trouble for the US in the coming years.

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by Hoog

...again, not true.

wrong. Show me your statistics.

21st century democrats are cultists; they will either vote Hillary ... or not vote at all (in the President catagory).

Third party candidates very rarely win any elections. For example, such a candidate only won a U.S. Senate election twice (0.6%) since 1990. Therefore, it is very rare to have a national officeholder not affiliated with and endorsed by one of the two major parties. Currently, there are only two U.S. Senators (Angus King and Bernie Sanders), who are neither Democratic nor Republican, while no U.S. Representative hails from outside the major parties.

Ross Perot got the highest 3rd party ballot vote total; 19,740,000 in 1992. He took a large percentage of votes away from GH Bush.

Many claim he is credited in giving Bill Clinton the win.

Clinton vote total: 44,909,000 votes
GH B vote total: 39, 104,000
Perot vote total: 19,743,000

if Perots votes came from 2/3 likely republican voters... and 1/3 likely democrat voters; then without him on the ballot... Billy Boy would of lost.

The stats are there to see.

All the past 3rd party candidates that got decent ballot vote totals... were more conservative than liberal. No liberal would vote for such a conservative person; instead either cringing as they vote with the party line... or not vote at all in that catagory (as a protest).

A few here want to vote on principle, and normally that's OK and admirable.
But even just 4 years of Hillary will take us soooo far socialist - that there's no going back... no recovery possible; too much to risk. A person usually knows when to shift gears... practice damage control; at times where avoiding the worst from happening is paramount.

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by boracayjohnny

The polls really mean squat to me. I've taken a couple of required Stats classes and the biggest thing I learned was you can make them say what you want. The thing I'm worried more about is the shit bag stealing the election through vote altering. There's already reports of "International" hacking/tampering of the vote. I put the quotes because I wouldn't put it behind the Ds/supporters to be behind this. I do know this; the election of Hillary means so much trouble for the US in the coming years.

The polls are designed.

Most calls I get don't even mention GJ, and that is the problem. Now, are the polls a product of the "GJ can't get elected, so I'm going to vote for the same old bullshit" circular reasoning? Or, are they a cause of it? Probably both.

It's evident the two party "system" has so thoroughly indoctrinated John Q. Voter through fear and lies that it became a self fulfilling prophecy long ago.

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

wrong. Show me your statistics.

You can't see the chart I posted?

[m and t's77]

Originally Posted by Waco

I hope you're not under the impression that Trump isn't a risk...

Ever since those boneheads down in D.C. have been tampering with the what our forefathers wanted for this country,we have always been at "risk" from either side of the aisle.

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by Drew M

Facts have ruined what could have been a light hearted discussion.

STFU ALREADY.

"STFU"... ahh, that's cute. and I'm the one that's "ruining" it

I'm not voting "for" anyone this time; just taking the best route to defeat certain & predictable hard damage to the country.

Here are more facts:

Exit Poll Data from the 1992 Election shows that just 38% of Perot voters said they would have voted for Clinton if it were only a two way race...

For those that want to vote for G Johnson; go for it! But to deny that this takes a vote away from Trump - and not Hillary - doesn't make sense. Past facts paint this picture very clearly.
I'd think even more positively of 3rd party voters this election if they would simply say: "Even though the end results are that I'm inadvertently securing Hillarys victory... I just can't vote for Trump; and not voting is out of the question as well."

that would receive a flag waving

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by Hoog

The polls are designed.

Most calls I get don't even mention GJ, and that is the problem. Now, are the polls a product of the "GJ can't get elected, so I'm going to vote for the same old bullshit" circular reasoning? Or, are they a cause of it? Probably both.

It's evident the two party "system" has so thoroughly indoctrinated John Q. Voter through fear and lies that it became a self fulfilling prophecy long ago.

Yea, two classes does not an expert make. Prolly the best I can say is I got an Intro to Stats. The thing is I've become cynical to many things involving politics.

[Iron Chef]

That's it. I've had enough. I'm writing in Rutherford B. Hayes.

[SteelCityBlue]

Originally Posted by Iron Chef

That's it. I've had enough. I'm writing in Rutherford B. Hayes.

Clone Nixon. He'll out shaft the Clintons.

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by Waco

I'd vote for Hillary over Trump...and that's coming from someone who thinks she's an untrustworthy criminal who doesn't have the best interests of the country in sight.

I know quite a few people with similar outlooks. Hillary is bad, Trump is worse, and Johnson...might actually be okay.

What's your reasoning for Trump is worse than Hillary.