If you like your current gas-powered car, SUV or truck, too bad

[Wathen1955]

If you like your car, good luck keeping it. Biden's EV mandate drives change people don't want.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/car-good-...091209528.html

If this happens, the grid will not be able to handle the electrical demand. What a bunch of buffoons in this administration. Hydrogen fuel cell is what should be next.

[WydGlydJim]

Originally Posted by Wathen1955

If you like your car, good luck keeping it. Biden's EV mandate drives change people don't want.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/car-good-...091209528.html

If this happens, the grid will not be able to handle the electrical demand. What a bunch of buffoons in this administration. Hydrogen fuel cell is what should be next.

Biden is a Chinese compromised imbecile.

[GTOguy]

Biden's agenda is similar to what we did in CA a few years ago, where we required older cars to meet emissions standards they were never designed to meet so they were legislated off the road by being 'gross polluters'. Like telling a 90 year old man who ran the 100 in ten flat when he was 20 years old that he now has to run it in 7 flat or get put down. Or that we all have to swim to the moon. Utter horseshit, a revolution or civil war is eminent.

[KenHorse]

Originally Posted by Wathen1955

If you like your car, good luck keeping it. Biden's EV mandate drives change people don't want.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/car-good-...091209528.html

If this happens, the grid will not be able to handle the electrical demand. What a bunch of buffoons in this administration. Hydrogen fuel cell is what should be next.

It has nothing to do with Biden Regime being populated by buffoons and EVERYTHING to do with the march to Marxism.

Basic tenet - restrict the proletariats' movement

[Swany00]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

Biden's agenda is similar to what we did in CA a few years ago, where we required older cars to meet emissions standards they were never designed to meet so they were legislated off the road by being 'gross polluters'. Like telling a 90 year old man who ran the 100 in ten flat when he was 20 years old that he now has to run it in 7 flat or get put down. Or that we all have to swim to the moon. Utter horseshit, a revolution or civil war is eminent.

yup

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by Red Baron

I had a diesel mechanic tell me some stories when every truckin' outfit had to comply with the DEF mandate.

Here in CA, we had to get rid of a perfectly good fleet because of the age of the rigs. Sold for peanuts to out of state buyers. My old outfit has the edict to buy electric big rigs now. The last one they tested cost $550k and had a range of 126 miles hauling 6 cars. So our old 3-hours to Sacramento, hour lunch and load, 3 hours back in a single day would be a three day trip, with two over-night stays, because the distance is 161 miles. A local grower is already running into this issue trying to get produce from Fresno to Carmel/Scotts Valley. He can only haul 70% because of the battery weight, and has to stop mid-way for an overnight charge to make it. (because of the grades the range is much shorter). The LIE that is all things EV is insidious and perpetrated by evil people.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

Here in CA, we had to get rid of a perfectly good fleet because of the age of the rigs. Sold for peanuts to out of state buyers. My old outfit has the edict to buy electric big rigs now. The last one they tested cost $550k and had a range of 126 miles hauling 6 cars. So our old 3-hours to Sacramento, hour lunch and load, 3 hours back in a single day would be a three day trip, with two over-night stays, because the distance is 161 miles. A local grower is already running into this issue trying to get produce from Fresno to Carmel/Scotts Valley. He can only haul 70% because of the battery weight, and has to stop mid-way for an overnight charge to make it. (because of the grades the range is much shorter). The LIE that is all things EV is insidious and perpetrated by evil people.

Next they will turn the farms into solar farms.

[GTOguy]

Yeah the grades here out west are brutal, and you've done them. So have I, 18 mph over the grapevine, emergency's on, 101, 17, 58, and on and on. Gut-wrenching, gear-grinding STEEP ass grades that an EV has NO place on....can you imagine losing power on a downgrade in an EV with no compression braking available even? YIKES.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by Red Baron

Hauled a lot of solar panels, too. Yep, you may be right! C'mon...

One of my son's ex- friends, liberal gal, was thrilled when a new solar farm cropped up just outside our city. I asked her if she thought that small amount of electricity was more helpful to society than a small farm growing vegetables. She wouldn't respond.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by Red Baron

How many charging hours are needed to pull this sucker out of a little mud when it gets bogged down? Engaging that third axle on the tractor helps pull, but it takes a little gas, too. I got lucky the ground was pretty packed in these pics, but... Then, how about the other deliveries on the truck if you use up all your battery power? By the way, Lowboys are a pain if ya gotta go over speed bumps.
I even thought I could save not having to store gas by buying an electric lawnmower. What a joke THAT thing is! I can't even mow both front and back without waiting 2 hours for a recharge! Maybe I outta get one of them big fancy riding mowers like Rickles has!

My walk behind mower in nearing 20 years old, and I just rebuilt it. I might get 8 or 9 years on a power tool battery.

[KenHorse]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

My walk behind mower in nearing 20 years old. I might get 8 or 9 years on a power tool battery.

I have to admit I changed over to an electric lawn mower last year and I love it

[Bruze]

Originally Posted by KenHorse

It has nothing to do with Biden Regime being populated by buffoons and EVERYTHING to do with the march to Marxism.

Basic tenet - restrict the proletariats' movement

Yes. This ^ is the correct response. The left is winning, so they are NOT stupid -- they've got 90+% of the population buffaloed.

Totalitarian regimes always control people's movements. If you're old enough, you'll remember the "Iron Curtain" and the "Berlin Wall," both to keep Soviet subjects IN the Soviet Union.

The push to EVs is because of the push to tyranny. You will have limited mobility because there (purposely) won't be enough electricity produced, or they will simply activate the kill switch on your vehicle, which all vehicles will be required to have in a few years. It's already a done deal, as I recall.

They are regulating IC vehicles out of existence, by making regulations so ridiculous that no manufacturer will be able to comply with them.

It's a global Marxist revolution, disguised, as they always are.

[GTOguy]

Diesel Smoke, Dangerous Curves!
I read you wall to wall and tree-top tall, Paul![IMG]th[/IMG]

[DAB]

Joe isn’t making the decisions.

[KenHorse]

Originally Posted by Red Baron

Ya know what, thank you for your honesty. For a smaller area, they are great. I think it was more my mistake for not realizing the size of my yard vs. battery size. No running to the gas station, no smellin' up the shed with fumes, etc. I just got mad when I bogged it a couple times and lost juice, then having to re-charge.

The part of my property that I need to mow is only about 1000 sq ft and my gas mower was a 22 incher. My electric one is a 21 incher, self propelled and came with 2 batteries (86 volt system) and a rapid charger. I've mowed when the lawn was wet and had to mow more than 3 inches of grass (1st mow of the season). One battery almost made it so I just swapped 'em.

Normally, 1 battery is more than enough

[Bruze]

Originally Posted by DAB

Joe isn’t making the decisions.

The debate shouldn't be over IC cars vs. EVs -- other than as a personal preference.

It should be over: Do you like government forcing you to do or buy things, or do you favor liberty?

[KenHorse]

Originally Posted by DAB

Joe isn’t making the decisions.

Nope. As I've repeatedly pointed out, the Obama Cabal is

Obama, Jarret, Rice, et al

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by KenHorse

It has nothing to do with Biden Regime being populated by buffoons and EVERYTHING to do with the march to Marxism.

Basic tenet - restrict the proletariats' movement

https://www.thecooldown.com/green-bu...-gas-vehicles/

Insane and there is only one reason to do this.

[Bruze]

Originally Posted by Red Baron

I wouldn't expect much of a debate over one's hand being forced to do anything, really. Freedom is all we at the end of the day, and it is more precious than gold. It's what we do with it that affects and has effects. Just one dude's opinion.

A majority of people (and all liberals) can't even define "liberty." When the manacles and leg irons come, figuratively (and maybe literally too) they'll still think they're "free."

"The average man does not want to be free. He simply wants to be safe." -- Henry Louis Mencken, 1880-1956

[cptlo306]

Republicans, including Trump, should be talking about this type of stuff 24/7 instead of constantly talking about 2020 and lawsuits.