The Everything Tesla/EV Argument Thread

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Just to clarify, you actually believe that as a majority, the average 50 year old guy buying the Model Y... is doing it because it has more horsepower?

Come on man. Even you can't believe something that stupid.

So, why are people buying a Model Y over a Tuscon/Rav 4 or CRV?

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Hertz issue is that commercially used cars don't have a warranty.

Hertz issue is that nobody wants to rent them, and their resale value is shit.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

The URUS is almost 3 times the price of a Model X Plaid. It better has better materials and brakes considering the $$ you are paying.

Yes, it absolutely is better. You're the one that just felt the need to put it in the same class...

Here, let me refresh your memory:

The X5M belongs in a class with the MX Plaid, Urus, RSQ8

I don't give a shit how fast it is in a straight line, the Model X is nowhere near the same class of vehicle as the X5M and RSQ8... much less a f**king Urus.

The dumbest argument of all, which is saying a lot given the things that you say, is that you actually seem to believe that driving in a straight line is what defines those SUVs.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

So, why are people buying a Model Y over a Tuscon/Rav 4 or CRV?

Because they want to get on the EV train. They want what's trendy and "cool". Because they're stupid enough to believe that they're benefiting from the tax credit as opposed to Tesla. ...and most commonly, because they're f**king stupid enough to believe that they're helping the environment. The largest market in the USA is mid-size SUVs. The Model Y is the EV that fits that market.

It's really not that difficult to connect the dots.

Look at any research that has ever been done on EVs. The answer is always the same.

Among those who would consider purchasing an EV, about seven-in-ten say helping the environment (72%) and saving money on gas (70%) are major reasons why. A small share (12%) cite keeping up with the latest trends in vehicles as a major reason.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-re...tric-vehicles/

How about some more:

https://blog.wa.aaa.com/electric/buy-an-electric-car/

You like to use "people you know" as examples so now I will do the same. I actually know 3 people that own Model Ys. 1 is stupid enough to think he's helping the environment. 1 is the owner of a flower shop who uses it to make short delivery trips ... and thinks she's helping the environment... and the 3rd is a computer IT guy that I work with that drives exactly the speed limit in the middle lane down the highway.

No, the majority of people don't buy them for "performance", not even your EV skewed version of what that word means. I know you want that to be the reason. No matter how much you try to say it is, it's not.

[ricks327]

I truly believe that GSC3 is an employee and on the Board of Directors of Tesla.

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by ricks327

I truly believe that GSC3 is an employee and on the Board of Directors of Tesla.

That may work out well, as I am going to need a 90+% employee discount on the roadster model.

[GTOguy]

Just heard today, that of the 88 public EV charging stations in Fresno, roughly 60 are inoperable due to the wiring being stolen by thieves.

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

Just heard today, that of the 88 public EV charging stations in Fresno, roughly 60 are inoperable due to the wiring being stolen by thieves.

Damn, Fresno must be doing well, 88 stations, average cost of $75K, figure land is worth $250K per station.
Total taxpayer contribution to ev cars is $30+M.

Fresno can afford this, as they defunded police, allowed crime to soar, kept the money for BS and pol theft, and then got the money back from state taxpayers, GENIUS:

https://abc30.com/retail-theft-task-...ding/14185157/

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Unsuspicious

I've never driven a car that was unable to pass normal traffic. If you feel the need to pass at 40 over because it tickles your tiny pickle to blow by another car, you're grasping for justification.

What if I feel the need to pass some douchebag who is perfectly content to dodder along at 10 MPH below the posted limit but suddenly speeds up and tries to block me when I start to pass him?

This is one of the many reasons I bought a car with 400HP. Overwhelming force nips a lot of douche-baggery right in the bud.

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

Damn, Fresno must be doing well, 88 stations, average cost of $75K, figure land is worth $250K per station.
Total taxpayer contribution to ev cars is $30+M.

Fresno can afford this, as they defunded police, allowed crime to soar, kept the money for BS and pol theft, and then got the money back from state taxpayers, GENIUS:

https://abc30.com/retail-theft-task-...ding/14185157/

Fresno got 203 million in federal funding, Oakland was slated for the same (same size population) but the mayor missed the deadline so Oakland got zip.
Our police force is fully funded, at capacity, and the city is a politically red city, being ag based. Living here compared to my 40 years in Oakland is a breath of fresh air.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

Just heard today, that of the 88 public EV charging stations in Fresno, roughly 60 are inoperable due to the wiring being stolen by thieves.

That says more about the shithole you live in than it does about EVs.

Looks like the copper thieves are running rampant up there.

https://abc30.com/fresno-mission-bre...wire/14477081/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...ay/ar-AA1munOv

https://kmph.com/news/local/arrested...oshua-ray-deen

[GTOguy]

Statewide. Copper wire and Catalytic Converters. It's a meth/fentanyl/border state thang.

[Steve_R]

There's an All EV Car Show this Saturday a couple of hours from here. I wonder if GSC3 will be there showing off. Rumor is there will be vendors selling rainbow stickers and hats, and maybe EV performance parts. Hopefully neighbors don't call 911 because of all the noise from the Performance SUVs that are sure to show up.

I'd drive over to it but I'm scheduled to watch some paint dry.

[TheHammer]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

Statewide. Copper wire and Catalytic Converters. It's a meth/fentanyl/border state thang.

And will continue as long as the thieves have easy targets and crooked recyclers to take the goods.

Back in the home building rush years, it was not uncommon to have a nearly finished tract home completely stripped of its copper plumbing and wiring before completion.

[Steve_R]

And the latest great news for EVs is that Rivian recently announced they are "indefinitely pausing" plans to construct a $5B factory outside Atlanta. This comes after they laid off 10% of their workforce earlier this year.

Production of EVs can't keep up with demand for them because everyone wants one.

[TheHammer]

The Chinese will flood the market with their cheap $20K EVs soon.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Hertz issue is that nobody wants to rent them, and their resale value is shit.

I know several people who rented one, including myself.

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by TheHammer

The Chinese will flood the market with their cheap $20K EVs soon.

No chance once TRUMP takes charge

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Because they want to get on the EV train. They want what's trendy and "cool". Because they're stupid enough to believe that they're benefiting from the tax credit as opposed to Tesla. ...and most commonly, because they're f**king stupid enough to believe that they're helping the environment. The largest market in the USA is mid-size SUVs. The Model Y is the EV that fits that market.

It's really not that difficult to connect the dots.

Look at any research that has ever been done on EVs. The answer is always the same.



https://www.pewresearch.org/short-re...tric-vehicles/

How about some more:

https://blog.wa.aaa.com/electric/buy-an-electric-car/

You like to use "people you know" as examples so now I will do the same. I actually know 3 people that own Model Ys. 1 is stupid enough to think he's helping the environment. 1 is the owner of a flower shop who uses it to make short delivery trips ... and thinks she's helping the environment... and the 3rd is a computer IT guy that I work with that drives exactly the speed limit in the middle lane down the highway.

No, the majority of people don't buy them for "performance", not even your EV skewed version of what that word means. I know you want that to be the reason. No matter how much you try to say it is, it's not.

In the end, it is irrelevant why someone buys a car in a particular class. Sure, some people buy a URUS because it handles well or accelerates well and others buy it as a status symbol. Regardless what the motivation is why someone buys a car, that doesn't change the class of the car. I'm surprised that a large amount of EV owners does it for the environment. Maybe that survey was done in California where Liberal ideology will influence polling results. I bet that if you run a similar survey of EV owners in Florida, you'll get different results. I know many EV owners and maybe 1 out of 10 I know considered the environment when buying an EV.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I know several people who rented one, including myself.

Statistics is clearly not your strong suit. A sample size of "several people" among all Hertz customers is statistically meaningless. Hertz says one reason it's selling off a large part of its EV fleet is "weak demand" for them, along with high repair costs.