What to do with unskilled labor

[snide]

Originally Posted by DAB

some years ago, my last company contacted me and wanted my help here locally. they were looking to bid on a large contract, and wanted me to attend the pre-bid meeting downtown. ok, doable. how much are you offering? how much you want? how about $125/hour? long pause...um, can we limit it to 4 hours of involvement? hour travel to town, hour back, hour for the meeting, hour to write things up...sure, agreed.

they have never called me again for anything. fine with me.

"but you are just going to a meeting!"

"yes, i'm going to a meeting as as expert in this topic"

or i could have stayed home, and you could fly someone out here, pay for meals, travel, hotel, and be out $2k. your call.

No wonder you didn't get the job.

[aerovette]

Originally Posted by 09CTSV

Problem with the system you are on is called bonus. With our merit raise system they also threw in monthly/quarterly bonuses. Well guess what happens when a panic hits. What is one of the first things to go to save cash. TaDa, bonus. You rely on someone deciding if they should give you 3K or 5K or nothing. About what our Incentive compensation does, a big game of juggle the numbers to get what the big dogs want and then release the payment. One of our "Incentive" base points is diversity and inclusion based off of how much of a percentage of women are in higher job bands.
If I had the choice of a bonus or a higher pay raise, the higher pay raise it would be. Being on a pension plan still, it adds to the overall value of total compensation.

The problem with raises is, that it always ends up coming out of the bonus. A bonus can be given as heavy or light as your manager sees fit. Mine was a large percentage of my salary. There is NO WAY, my company would give me that as a raise and at 3-5% per year it would take way too long to get there organically...actually never, because you are constantly falling behind where you would be if you took the bonus. I have ZERO doubt that if I hit my boss up for a raise, my bonus would reflect it. I'd rather have that fat check than a monthly pittance.

[ratflinger]

Shit, and I was feeling good about my 18yo Macallan

[SnikPlosskin]

Originally Posted by Rodnok1

Absolutely.. But what do we do with them... Does it just create a massive divide between haves and have nots(bad example I'm sure). We can't just leave them in limbo as a society as that's never a good Idea. Thus the question since they are being left behind is this why socialism is coming up?

Eat them.

[thecornerman]

Have any of you ever worked on straight commission?
I mean no work no pay
Well working as an auto tech for 28 years on flat rate I can tell you how being aggressive, passionate, committed and good at your job can be rewarding!
Or a total Cluster-****
There were days when I spent the whole day rebuilding my sons transmission or engine while not getting any real work, meaning no pay
That's what the business was at the time and I made the best of it
Talk about survival of the fittest

[Allan]

Operating a floor buffer is an occupation of skill otherwise, the Army wouldn't have entrusted me with such a valuable, high dollar machine to operate.

[JetMechZ16]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

This is the fallacy of a so called living wage from menial jobs. Even if you work at a place 5 years, you will make the same as the guy that was just hired and doesn’t know a thing. It leads to complacency and lack of drive.

I will say that the upcoming tidal wave of solar arrays will need a lot of labor. However, with the border open again, I know who’s going to be building them.

S.Korea will make the panels and inverters, China will make the steel stands, Middle and South America will install them in the US. Yep, lots of high paying Green New Deal jobs coming right up.

Hhmmm..... I didn't know I was working in China making computer grade and solar grade hyper pure polysilicon. They musta named it Tennessee just to trick me.

[VatorMan]

Originally Posted by JetMechZ16

Hhmmm..... I didn't know I was working in China making computer grade and solar grade hyper pure polysilicon. They musta named it Tennessee just to trick me.

January 4th, the tariffs are off and Tennessee will be another Solyndra. South Korea and a Chinese products will again rule the US.

[Rodnok1]

I was discussing this living wage shit with the wife and her coworkers the other day, most hadn't heard anything about it. A couple asked if they'd get extra pay since they worked harder than the lazy bastards. When told them no the others get to stay home and screw off and get paid the same as you... Then I thanked them for voting for Biden... They had no idea he supported such ideas yet voted for him.
There shouldn't be handouts period(some exceptions of course for handicapped but no reason most couldn't do something also), if I needed assistance I wouldn't feel right not doing anything for it. I suppose most here remember when being on govt assistance was a last resort and nothing to be proud of, now it's a badge of honor it seems.

[JetMechZ16]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

January 4th, the tariffs are off and Tennessee will be another Solyndra. South Korea and a Chinese products will again rule the US.

You do realize that when they placed tariffs on polysilicon it hurt us. We export to China.

After that, exports to China from REC and the other two U.S. manufacturers, Wacker Polysilicon and Hemlock Semiconductor, faced duties as high as 57 percent. Exports to China went into free fall. The U.S. exported 22,314 tons of polysilicon to China in 2014,

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Rodnok1

Absolutely.. But what do we do with them... they are being left behind.

We?

Why is it MY job to work my ass off to allow some other sack of shit to be lazy? The number of people "left behind" in this country is extraordinarily small. Disabilities, mental issues, etc. With that said, as the child of a paraplegic father who worked his ass off, even the "disability" argument is almost always a load of shit.

They STAY behind because they choose to stay behind. I have never known a single person who was willing and tried to work hard who was not able to achieve at least a decent living.

You not trying isn't my problem.

Originally Posted by dvarapala

So what's your solution? You want all those useless people to become homeless and sleep on the street in front of your house?

...and what's yours? Hand them what I work for so they can sit on their useless asses watching TV and popping out future generations of useless turds?

Cliffs: Not my problem. Don't care. Stop telling me that I should have to pay for everybody else.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Thomas

I'm with you. Put it on the check.

Oh I did a good job Mr. Supervisor? Put it on the check.
Oh you're giving me a customer service award? Put it on the check.
Oh I'm employee of the month? Put it on the check.

Better yet, don't rely on someone else to tell you what you're worth.

I am an engineer by degree and spent enough of my life actually working as an engineer to realize that the business world sucks. I have enough specialized experience that people call me somewhat regularly with job offers that pay quite well. No thanks.

I'm here today in my own shop with some greasy ass Harleys, working my ass off trying to build a business about to eat some Ramen Noodles for lunch... and I couldn't be happier.

I'd rather eat Ramen (for now) and drive a 15 year old Yukon while I build my own business than kiss some douchebag's ass hoping he gives me a good review every year. The thought of working for someone else again and having to play the stupid games trying to get what crumbs get thrown down to employees is all the motivation I need.

P.S. Anybody want to buy a motorcycle?

[JetMechZ16]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

We?

Why is it MY job to work my ass off to allow some other sack of shit to be lazy? The number of people "left behind" in this country is extraordinarily small. Disabilities, mental issues, etc. With that said, as the child of a paraplegic father who worked his ass off, even the "disability" argument is almost always a load of shit.

They STAY behind because they choose to stay behind. I have never known a single person who was willing and tried to work hard who was not able to achieve at least a decent living.

You not trying isn't my problem.


...and what's yours? Hand them what I work for so they can sit on their useless asses watching TV and popping out future generations of useless turds?

Cliffs: Not my problem. Don't care. Stop telling me that I should have to pay for everybody else.

You don't have to believe it's your responsibility, or that you should pay for any of it. But let me tell you,, YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT NOW!!! Do you have any idea of the fraud that goes on with SSI? My wife works for the Social Security Administration and she sees this daily. The bad part is that even though they have a fraud investigation dept they won't or just don't investigate it unless it's really a large amount. She reports this when she suspects it but unless the people are getting greedy nothing's done. And SSI isn't the only fraud going on. She has people now that try to apply against a deceased persons benefits and she sometimes finds they were never married and therefore not eligible. Most of the time these things aren't discovered but my wife tends to dig further into these claims than many other agents do. But again they usually will not pursue small fraud amounts. If you're not trying to get benefits from 3 different people at the same time they just don't pursue it.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by JetMechZ16

But let me tell you,, YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT NOW!!!

No shit. ...and yet people want to take even more.

[VITE1]

For the last 150 years of the Industrial revolution we have had regular and painful changes in the makeup of the work force. We went from nearly 90% of Americans working on farms and ranches to less than 3% now. Automobiles were predominantly driven by chauffeurs in the late early 1900's. Manufacturing automation, Office automation, ATMS, and dozens of other changes have always impacted the least skilled the most.

One thing we do know is that if you ask the Government to "Fix" the problem they only make it worse.

Let's the free market decide. People will need to learn new skills or invent new ones. But the people will do the best job of it.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Cliffs: Not my problem. Don't care. Stop telling me that I should have to pay for everybody else.

Except you're already paying for them if they get welfare or any other sort of public assistance.

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Except you're already paying for them if they get welfare or any other sort of public assistance.

The reverse is also true. If we did not have these programs the individual would be dependent on themselves, their families, friends, neighbors and social groups VS the beauracacy that comes with the government programs.

Maybe we should stop paying them from our taxes and support them through charity and work?

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by VITE1

The reverse is also true. If we did not have these programs the individual would be dependent on themselves, their families, friends, neighbors and social groups VS the beauracacy that comes with the government programs.

I can't argue with that.

[snide]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

P.S. Anybody want to buy a motorcycle?

Pics of wife, er, motorcycle?

[snide]

Originally Posted by VITE1

The reverse is also true. If we did not have these programs the individual would be dependent on themselves, their families, friends, neighbors and social groups VS the beauracacy that comes with the government programs.

Maybe we should stop paying them from our taxes and support them through charity and work?

What are you, a capitalist?