Am I a Racist? Opinions wanted

[Bill]

Originally Posted by prospero63

Yep. I've been consistent throughout. Good for the kid who did what they needed to be in the top 10% of their school. Idiot for the parents that would knowingly and willfully send their kid to a school that, by your own admission, does not prepare them for college.



Out of curiosity, your kids go to Memorial or North Forest?

I don't have kids, but I am familiar with both school districts, having met teachers and administrators at both. And the reputations of a Smiley/North Forest, Memorial, etc. are well known in the area.

I'm a Cy-Fair grad, BTW. Go Bobcats!

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by GRN ENVY

So basically you are saying that no scholarships and or grants are handed out more to minorities, then to white.

Than to whites. And no, I never said or implied that.

That's incorrect. I started off talking about government funded scholarships I have been talking about those with the exception to the privately funded organizations. Let's not get off topic and contradict ourselves.

Yes, because we wouldn't want to have to say we were mistaken when we contradict ourselves, would we?

[quote]I said that the government gives out scholarships to minorities, over whites. When you brought up the Texas scholarship that had nothing to do with it being supplied by the government. All of my points with the exception of a few were all about the government supplied scholarships dealing with race. Not dealing with other organizations.

You keep bring up scholarships in general. My First post in this thread was about government scholarships.

WTF? No it wasn't. You never even mentioned government scholarships. Post #41. Let me help you out here. The words you are looking for are "my bad, I was using absolutes to overstate positions to validate my beliefs. It wasn't necessary because I could have made the points without doing that".

You keep trying to make me get of that topic by putting up link and doing Google searches about race scholarships in general. Did I rebuttal to your general scholarships, yes. But apparently I need to give you a full research report on race scholarships for you to understand my point about how minorities get more aid and scholarships then white people. What the f*ck is so hard to understand about that.

No, what I keep trying to get you to do is stop making exaggerated claims and trading in absolutes when they aren't valid, or needed, to make your point. And I keep trying to get you to support your statements with facts. It's easy to say "minorities get more aid and scholarships then [sic] white people", but it's hard to actually come up with actual facts to support that claim.

I am not wrong, and who the f*ck are you to tell me that I make excuses. And what give you the right to make it personal by telling me that I am not accountable, and that I didn't learn anything in school. I solely stuck to my point that the government gives out scholarships to minorities and only minorities, specifically talking about race. Not other scholarships.

No you didn't stick to your point. You made a point, it quickly got proven incorrect, and you have spent the rest of the time trying to say you didn't say that. You are letting pride get in the way of admitting you were mistaken.

If you want to keep up this argument take it to PM's. I am done with your ignorance and unwillingness to understand, and trying to make me contradict myself to make you look like a god or something.

Or better yet you think what you think, and I will think whats right.

I'm starting to see the problem with our education system.

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by GRN ENVY

You said I needed links to prove my statements true. Why don't you get links to prove me wrong?????

1. I did that in my first reply to you.
2. It's not my responsibility to prove a negative. It's your responsibility to support your claims. Again, this is stuff you should have learned in school.

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

I don't have kids, but I am familiar with both school districts, having met teachers and administrators at both. And the reputations of a Smiley/North Forest, Memorial, etc. are well known in the area.

I'm a Cy-Fair grad, BTW. Go Bobcats!

[GRN ENVY]

Originally Posted by GRN ENVY

Here is one for you about college. If you are white, there are NO scholarships for your ethnicity. If you are non-white and your parents are immigrants from another country, guess who can get loads of free money for college, they do. I think its unfair. Here I am working through college, to pay out of pocket for my education, not mention some of the taxes I pay is paying for their college. Either we all get free college or they pay out of pocket.

Don't get me wrong, if they EARN their academic scholarship, or athletic scholarship, then by all means its theirs, but don't give them free money because their parents moved to this country, and because of that they get special treatment. What happened to everyone being treated equally, weather its good or bad treatment.

If you think this is racist, you are right. Its racist towards me as a white male. Double standards are bullsh!t

I have to say I agree with stangkiller on this whole subject

read the bolded statement, taxes goes to the government.

Originally Posted by prospero63

Than to whites. And no, I never said or implied that.



Yes, because we wouldn't want to have to say we were mistaken when we contradict ourselves, would we?

I said that the government gives out scholarships to minorities, over whites. When you brought up the Texas scholarship that had nothing to do with it being supplied by the government. All of my points with the exception of a few were all about the government supplied scholarships dealing with race. Not dealing with other organizations.



WTF? No it wasn't. You never even mentioned government scholarships. Post #41. Let me help you out here. The words you are looking for are "my bad, I was using absolutes to overstate positions to validate my beliefs. It wasn't necessary because I could have made the points without doing that".



No, what I keep trying to get you to do is stop making exaggerated claims and trading in absolutes when they aren't valid, or needed, to make your point. And I keep trying to get you to support your statements with facts. It's easy to say "minorities get more aid and scholarships then [sic] white people", but it's hard to actually come up with actual facts to support that claim.



No you didn't stick to your point. You made a point, it quickly got proven incorrect, and you have spent the rest of the time trying to say you didn't say that. You are letting pride get in the way of admitting you were mistaken.



I'm starting to see the problem with our education system.

Here is a link for minorities:
http://msan.wceruw.org/documents/MSAN_college%20scholarships.pdf

Here is a link for whites:
White (non-Hispanic) Scholarships - Fastweb

Note the difference in aid from one group to another. Am I wrong that there are Caucasian scholarships yes, but the numbers prove my point that there is more aid for minorities, than to whites

I did read some where that the government does not hand out Race specific scholarships, but does give out diversity race based scholarships. Pretty much mean if your a minority and want to improve your class status, they then will give you a scholarship. Pretty much a minority scholarship, just you have to clarify why you want it, and they give you the reason. I will try and hunt down the link for you.

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by GRN ENVY

read the bolded statement, taxes goes to the government.

Keep grasping. Now your point is all scholarships are tax funded? "My bad, I was mistaken when I said there were no scholarships for whites" is really not the difficult to say.

Here is a link for minorities:
http://msan.wceruw.org/documents/MSA...holarships.pdf

Here is a link for whites:
White (non-Hispanic) Scholarships - Fastweb

Note the difference in aid from one group to another. Am I wrong that there are Caucasian scholarships yes, but the numbers prove my point that there is more aid for minorities, than to whites

See, that wasn't difficult.

Now, the catch. Do you mean that there is more aid for minorities, than to whites, or do you mean that there are more minority scholarships than Caucasian scholarships? There are, quite significant, monies available to whites not because they are white, but because they have parents that went to college and thus that entitles them to scholarships, etc. for that, etc. that minorities aren't entitled to (again, not because they are minorities but because their parents didn't go to college).

I did read some where that the government does not hand out Race specific scholarships, but does give out diversity race based scholarships. Pretty much mean if your a minority and want to improve your class status, they then will give you a scholarship. Pretty much a minority scholarship, just you have to clarify why you want it, and they give you the reason. I will try and hunt down the link for you.

Look up whites qualifying for minority scholarships to historically black colleges. There's a few of those out there too (some info is from the sources you cited above in fact).

[GRN ENVY]

Originally Posted by prospero63

Keep grasping. Now your point is all scholarships are tax funded? "My bad, I was mistaken when I said there were no scholarships for whites" is really not the difficult to say.

No I am not saying they are all tax funded, but the u.s. department of education get money from our taxes, that we pay.

Your pushing it with "My bad, I was mistaken when I said there were no scholarships for whites" is really not the difficult to say." crap!

Originally Posted by prospero63

See, that wasn't difficult.

Now, the catch. Do you mean that there is more aid for minorities, than to whites, or do you mean that there are more minority scholarships than Caucasian scholarships? There are, quite significant, monies available to whites not because they are white, but because they have parents that went to college and thus that entitles them to scholarships, etc. for that, etc. that minorities aren't entitled to (again, not because they are minorities but because their parents didn't go to college).

I can see what you are saying on the whole monies available to whites because their parents went to college and etc.

I am saying that on race alone, that there are more opportunities for free money, for minorities.

When I here aid, I think of financial in which said person has to pay back money. Now that is another subject when it comes to race yes. But let's not get into that. No time lol

Originally Posted by prospero63

Look up whites qualifying for minority scholarships to historically black colleges. There's a few of those out there too (some info is from the sources you cited above in fact).

I will look that up.





As for not giving you links right away, I am at work and was extremely busy up until 9:15 or so eastern time. So maybe you can ease up on the button pushing???

[VatorMan]

Originally Posted by GRN ENVY

No I am not saying they are all tax funded, but the u.s. department of education get money from our taxes, that we pay.

Your pushing it with "My bad, I was mistaken when I said there were no scholarships for whites" is really not the difficult to say." crap!





I can see what you are saying on the whole monies available to whites because their parents went to college and etc.

I am saying that on race alone, that there are more opportunities for free money, for minorities.

When I here aid, I think of financial in which said person has to pay back money. Now that is another subject when it comes to race yes. But let's not get into that. No time lol




I will look that up.





As for not giving you links right away, I am at work and was extremely busy up until 9:15 or so eastern time. So maybe you can ease up on the button pushing???

You fell into the Tater trap. He's an expert in bait and switch. Be glad I let you know.

[GRN ENVY]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

You fell into the Tater trap. He's an expert in bait and switch. Be glad I let you know.

I figured as much, twisting words around to make you think different, but he can be internet God for the day, it doesn't bother me

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

You fell into the Tater trap. He's an expert in bait and switch. Be glad I let you know.

Kid needed educating.

[Gina]

Originally Posted by GRN ENVY

I figured as much, twisting words around to make you think different, but he can be internet God for the day, it doesn't bother me

Originally Posted by prospero63

Kid needed educating.

NAMBLA called..........

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by GRN ENVY

I figured as much, twisting words around to make you think different, but he can be internet God for the day, it doesn't bother me

Nah, back up here. Go read post #41. Those were your words. If that's not what you meant to write, then say that. But don't try to act like you didn't write them or that my response wasn't to them. But don't get too prideful to admit a mistake and then complain that folks are twisting words and changing topics when in fact you were the only one trying to do that, to cover for your original mis-statement.

[GRN ENVY]

Originally Posted by prospero63

Kid needed educating.

First of all, I'm not a kid

Originally Posted by prospero63

Nah, back up here. Go read post #41. Those were your words. If that's not what you meant to write, then say that. But don't try to act like you didn't write them or that my response wasn't to them. But don't get too prideful to admit a mistake and then complain that folks are twisting words and changing topics when in fact you were the only one trying to do that, to cover for your original mis-statement.

I don't need to read post 41, I wrote it. I know what it says, and I know what it means. I am not mistaken. I feel I am not wrong, yyou feel that I am wrong. Get off your high horse of internet patrol and agree to disagree, weather my facts are right or in your eyes wrong. It doesn't matter. It seems to me that several people liked what I wrote in that post. So get over it

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by GRN ENVY

First of all, I'm not a kid

Easy kid.

I don't need to read post 41, I wrote it. I know what it says, and I know what it means. I am not mistaken. I feel I am not wrong, yyou feel that I am wrong. Get off your high horse of internet patrol and agree to disagree, weather my facts are right or in your eyes wrong. It doesn't matter. It seems to me that several people liked what I wrote in that post. So get over it

Fair enough. You wrote a response to the question of scholarships that never mentioned or had anything to do with government money, claimed that there were no scholarships for whites, was shown that there were, then tried to change your tune to claim that you meant full rides and government scholarships only. But you are correct, you weren't mistaken.

[GRN ENVY]

Originally Posted by prospero63

Easy kid.




Fair enough. You wrote a response to the question of scholarships that never mentioned or had anything to do with government money, claimed that there were no scholarships for whites, was shown that there were, then tried to change your tune to claim that you meant full rides and government scholarships only. But you are correct, you weren't mistaken.

[oyealiz]

Originally Posted by Omega Man

So, do you think I am a racist?

No.


(Maybe I'll have time later to read and see what the other 155 responses are!)

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by oyealiz

No.


(Maybe I'll have time later to read and see what the other 155 responses are!)

As an active participant, trust me it's not worth it.

[MEANZ06]

[themonk]

How can a thread about racism turn so heated?

[island14]

Originally Posted by themonk

How can a thread about racism turn so heated?

This thread has me drunk now, and I'm not even drinking...



I thought this was about schools