Egypt Burns

[Bill]

Originally Posted by mrvette

SO it is OUR fault islamics act like cave men from 1500 years ago.....

methinks that will all the help the western world has done to bring them outta the dark ages, they should be thankful WE taught them how to do anything but ride behind a camel with the smells that accompany that life style....

piss on THEM and their cult....

Just look at Egypt, for a minute. This is a country of mostly young people, people who have known nothing but the boot heel and repression of their governement for the last 30 years. YOUR US government supported that repression. We PAID for that repression..
How are those living under the oppression supposed to feel about us?

If your neighbor hired thugs to beat you up and harrass you daily, you are going to be mad at the thugs, right? You might also be mad at your neighbor, the guy who PAID the thugs.

We in America act like we never do wrong. Why could anyone possibly be mad at us? They must just be hateful savages. After all, what have we ever done to them?

What we were taught in school, that the US is a shining example of freedom, and that we stand with others yearning to be free has turned out to be a lie.

Look at Hillary on the news this morning. "Oh, we stand with those seeking freedom." Well, that's great. Why did your husband support a brutal dictator for 8 years? Why has the US done the exact opposite of that for 30 years in Egypt?

At the very minimum, we could have NOT paid anyone in Egypt, if we weren't happy with what was happening. But, no, we have paid, ever since Jimmy Carter promised Sadat and Begin US $$ in exchange for not warring against each other any more.

Maybe we should start paying the Crips and the Bloods monthly stipends not to shoot each other any more.

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

Just look at Egypt, for a minute. This is a country of mostly young people, people who have known nothing but the boot heel and repression of their governement for the last 30 years. YOUR US government supported that repression. We PAID for that repression..
How are those living under the oppression supposed to feel about us?

If your neighbor hired thugs to beat you up and harrass you daily, you are going to be mad at the thugs, right? You might also be mad at your neighbor, the guy who PAID the thugs.

We in America act like we never do wrong. Why could anyone possibly be mad at us? They must just be hateful savages. After all, what have we ever done to them?

What we were taught in school, that the US is a shining example of freedom, and that we stand with others yearning to be free has turned out to be a lie.

Look at Hillary on the news this morning. "Oh, we stand with those seeking freedom." Well, that's great. Why did your husband support a brutal dictator for 8 years? Why has the US done the exact opposite of that for 30 years in Egypt?

At the very minimum, we could have NOT paid anyone in Egypt, if we weren't happy with what was happening. But, no, we have paid, ever since Jimmy Carter promised Sadat and Begin US $$ in exchange for not warring against each other any more.

Maybe we should start paying the Crips and the Bloods monthly stipends not to shoot each other any more.

I agree with you on the couda wooda shooda asspect of it, but WTF do we do NOW???

WE enabled more population there than the habitat can support without OUR aid......

so let the region drop off.....take away all those gifts, and maybe the smart will survive, and if not, honestly, I could CARE LESS....

[Exotix]

A new slogan, "Today Egypt, tomorrow Yemen," gives voice to the potential for protests to spread across the region.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/41359553#41359553

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Exotix

A new slogan, "Today Egypt, tomorrow Yemen," gives voice to the potential for protests to spread across the region.



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Freedom is kind of like the flu. It's contagious.

What did you think was going to happen?

[mrvette]

So the ultimate question, what to DO with cultures that want to **** themselves away from their own dinner table????


IMO, let them die...no other practical choice....screw sentimentality.....

yeh, it's a shame it's gotta BE that way......but reality shows the way.....

tough shit for the soft hearts....

[Exotix]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

Freedom is kind of like the flu. It's contagious.

What did you think was going to happen?

I thought Bush & Cheney by now would *Pull a Palin* ... *it's all about me *

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Exotix

I thought Bush & Cheney by now would *Pull a Palin* ... *it's all about me *

Bush and Cheney continued a legacy in Egypt started by Carter. They supported a dictator, just like Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Obama himself did.

They were all wrong. The Egyptian people are trying to free themselves, DESPITE what we have done to them for 30 years.

Hopefully, Obama will be the one to admit that any US policy that is against freedom is wrong. That would be kind of revolutionary. We'll see if O has the balls to actually do that, rather than phoning it in.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

Freedom is kind of like the flu. It's contagious.

What did you think was going to happen?

WAR;

Sorry, that was a big slow softball asking to get knocked out of the park.

[Exotix]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

WAR;

Sorry, that was a big slow softball asking to get knocked out of the park.

[Exotix]

'March of a million' demands Mubarak's ouster.
'It has to become ugly.
We have to take it to the presidential palace,' protester says.


'March of a million' demands Mubarak's ouster - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - msnbc.com


CAIRO — Protesters converged on the heart of Cairo in droves Tuesday, responding to a call for a million Egyptians to unite in the largest protest in a week of unceasing demands for President Hosni Mubarak to leave after nearly 30 years in power.

Crowd estimates ranged widely but media reports suggested that Tuesday's protest was the largest to date.
The BBC said at least 100,000 people attended while Al-Jazeera estimated that organizers reached their goal of 1 million.

A stream of protesters arrived in Tahrir, or Liberation, Square at checkpoints guarded by protesters and the army, which promised Monday night that it would not fire on protesters.




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'New Egyptians'

'Murderous president'

'The succession is already under way'

'A liability'





Video inside

[Exotix]

*Breaking*

Reports ~ Mubarak to skip bid for re-election after hearing Obama message.
Embattled Egyptian president expected to speak after protests escalate.


Reports: Mubarak to say he won't seek re-election - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - msnbc.com

[Exotix]

*God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed.

The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive.

If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.

... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance ?

Let them take arms.
The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them.

What signify a few lives lost in a century or two ?

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

It is its natural manure.*

~ Thomas Jefferson ~ November 13, 1787, letter to William S. Smith, quoted in Padover's Jefferson On Democracy.

[prospero63]

Friend of mine sent me this. Cracked me up.

Dear Egyptian Rioters:

Please do not damage the pyramids. We will not rebuild.

Love,
...The Jews

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by prospero63

Friend of mine sent me this. Cracked me up.

Cut/paste, forwarded on......

How about that fire in the Cairo museum?? how did the antiquities fare??

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by mrvette

Cut/paste, forwarded on......

How about that fire in the Cairo museum?? how did the antiquities fare??

Insured with Llyod's of London.

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

Insured with Llyod's of London.

Oh well, I already seen them tough shit to rest of the world, ef em forever....

[Exotix]

See ya at the GOP *Full-Moon* 2012 primaries ...


http://gop12.thehill.com/2011/02/gin...-on-egypt.html

YouTube - GOP12.com: Gingrich says Obama lost on Egypt

[mrvette]

THE problem is Iran.....pure and simple.....

SO WE have to go in with a couple of subs and wipe out those mullahs and the leadership.....

pick a holy day and git er DONE, damnit.....

the northern Iranians will cheer us.....the ignoramuses from the southern regions will not, so what??

[Exotix]

*Breaking*



Egypt government seeks to ride out protests.
Demonstrations enter 12th day, as solutions are mulled to bring about power shift to end nation's political paralysis.


Report: Mubarak resigns from ruling party, still president - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - msnbc.com


CAIRO — Leaders of Egypt's unprecedented wave of anti-government protests have held talks with the prime minister over ways to ease President Hosni Mubarak out of office, but the government appeared Saturday to be digging in its heels, calculating that it can ride out street demonstrations.

Prime Minister Ahmed Shafiq said Saturday that stability was returning to the country, appearing confident that a deal on future reforms can be reached with the multiple opposition movements to defuse protests without the 82-year-old Mubarak necessarily leaving power immediately.

Protesters have refused to end their mass rallies in downtown Tahrir Square until Mubarak quits. Tens of thousands gathered Saturday in Tahrir, waving flags and chanting a day after some 100,000 massed there in an intensified demonstration labeled "the day of departure," in hopes it would be the day Mubarak leaves.



Their unprecedented 12-day movement has entered a delicate new phase.

Organizers fear that without the pressure of protesters on the street, Mubarak's regime will enact only cosmetic reforms and try to preserve its grip on power.
So they are reluctant to lift their demonstrations without the concrete gain of Mubarak's ouster and a transition mechanism that guarantees a real move to democracy afterward.

From its side, the government has sought to draw opposition parties and the youth groups involved in the protests into immediate negotiations on constitutional reforms so presidential elections can be held in September to replace Mubarak.

Protest organizers, wary of a trap, have refused until Mubarak goes.

At a press conference aired on state TV, Shafiq suggested the government hopes to convince enough factions to enter talks that the others will be forced to join in.
Asked whether the Muslim Brotherhood, for example, will enter talks, Shafiq said, "Once they find the others are negotiation, for sure they will or they will be left alone ... The level of aspirations is going down day by day."

He noted that the protesters had changed their slogan from "day of departure" to a "week of steadfastness," saying that this was "because they failed on Friday" in forcing out Mubarak.

"All this leads to stability," he said.

The government and military have promised not to try to clear protesters from Tahrir, and soldiers guarding the square continued to let people enter to join the growing rally.



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An Egyptian soldier stands in a lot full of stones on the fringes of Tahrir Square in Cairo, which were thrown recently by ani-Mubarak protesters and pro-Mubarak supporters during clashes over the past few days.

[Exotix]

Cheney calls Mubarak a good friend, U.S. ally.
Says too much pressure on Egyptian leader could backfire.

Today

Cheney says Mubarak a good friend, U.S. ally - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com


SANTA BARBARA, Calif. — Former Vice President Dick Cheney on Saturday called Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak a good friend and U.S. ally, and he urged the Obama administration to move cautiously as turmoil continued to shake that nation's government.

Cheney's comments came a day after President Barack Obama pressed Mubarak to consider his legacy and exit office in a way that would give his country the best chance for peace and democracy.



Cheney said the U.S. should take measured steps in public, and suggested that too much pressure could backfire.

"There is a reason why a lot of diplomacy is conducted in secret.
There are good reasons for there to be confidentiality in some of those communications.
And I think President Mubarak needs to be treated as he deserved over the years, because he has been a good friend," Cheney said at an event commemorating the centennial of President Ronald Reagan's birth.

Cheney noted it can be difficult for some foreign leaders to act on U.S. advice "in a visible way" without appearing compromised in their own countries.

The bottom line is, in the end, whatever comes next in Egypt is going to be determined by the people of Egypt," Cheney added.

Cheney, looking markedly thinner than during his days in Washington and sitting throughout his remarks, said Mubarak helped the U.S. get military aircraft into the region in the 1991 Gulf War, and committed troops to fight alongside U.S. forces in the liberation of Kuwait.



"He's been a good man, a good friend and ally to the United States," Cheney said.
"We need to remember that."



As huge protests continued Friday, Obama said discussions have begun in Egypt on a turnover of the government, and he called for a "transition period that begins now."

"We want to see this moment of turmoil turned into a moment of opportunity," Obama said in Washington.
He did not explicitly call for Mubarak to step down immediately, but U.S. officials said the administration has made a judgment that Mubarak has to go soon if the crisis is to end peacefully.

Asked about a possible outcome in Egypt, Cheney said, "I don't know."

There comes a time for everybody when it's time to hang it up and move on," he said, but added, "That's a decision only the Egyptians can make."

Saturday's event was sponsored by the Young America's Foundation, which was founded to promote conservative ideas on college campuses and purchased Reagan's former ranch in 1998.

Sarah Palin addressed the group Friday.




Former President *Dick* Vader speaks to guests at the Reagan Ranch Center on Saturday in Santa Barbara, Calif.




What about the $50 billion U.S. taxpayer dollars Mubarak has in Swiss & Dubai banks like you do *Dick* ?

FU.