Gary Oldman's comments in Playboy mag....

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by chinaski

Eastwood said he doesn't give a 'F*ck' about gay marriage, that is different from being 'pro'-active for it.

He's been much more active than that - Clint Eastwood signs pro-gay marriage brief - CBS News

Who really isn't for environmental protection, I am sure his opinion of it differs greatly from yours.

I am anti war, and pretty much everybody should be. Sometimes it is necessary.

HE DID NOT ENDORSE OBAMA'S BAILOUT OF THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY. THAT IS A FLAT OUT ****ING LIE. PROVE IT.

Made a superbowl ad that sure sounded like he did.

Eastwood is a Centrist Libertarian, YOU ARE NOT!

Which around here would make him commie!

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by lspencer534

And you can support your position with facts rather than rhetoric? Do you really think that all Americans should be required to have health insurance, for instance? Why? Is there any empirical evidence to support why everyone would be better off, especially financially? Meaning, where is the authority in this Country that I have a duty to pay for someone's else's health insurance/health care? It's merely a belief, not a fact...so why do think your beliefs trump mine? Because you think it's the "right" thing to do? I don't. Aren't we actually "equal" now?

No, I don't believe all Americans should be required to have health insurance.

I believe in socialized medicine. We are the only first world country without it. We spend more per capita and get shittier service than just about every other first world country.

[lspencer534]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

No, I don't believe all Americans should be required to have health insurance.

I believe in socialized medicine. We are the only first world country without it. We spend more per capita and get shittier service than just about every other first world country.

That's the problem when you have politics control the health care system...but our Country is not a Socialist one. If you can successfullychange that, then go for it. Until then, it's not what this County is founded on. Sorry, but that's what the Constitution says. Remember, though, that there are implications to being labelled as a Socialistic Country.

[StaticCling]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

He's been much more active than that - Clint Eastwood signs pro-gay marriage brief - CBS News

Made a superbowl ad that sure sounded like he did.

Which around here would make him commie!

As far as the gay marriage brief, big ****ing deal. He is basically saying that all couples deserve equal protection under the law. As a Conservative Libertarian, I believe that as well...


As far as the superbowl ad...

HOLY JUMPING DOGSHIT!

WHAT THE **** ARE YOU SMOKING? if you construed that as being Pro Obama, you must be higher than a friggin kite.

Just about EVERY news source construed that as an attack, outside of your fantasy world news.

The guy was a speaker at the Republican National Convention and you are trying to sell his position as pro Obama? You are friggin DELUSIONAL!

Keep drinking the Kool Aid.

[Craig]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

And I think your post here only shows me that my impression of conservatives is spot on.

I'd be curious to know what that impression is?

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Craig

I'd be curious to know what that impression is?

Bible thumpin'...gun totin'..tobacco chewin'...toothless...inbred...hayseed...pickup drivin'...rednecks.

Who believe women belong in the kitchen and Blacks belong in the field.

[73sbVert]

My favorite Gary Oldman character:

Gary Oldman explains why graffiti is good for the world! - YouTube

[Loco Vette]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

We spend more per capita and get shittier service than just about every other first world country.

Originally Posted by The Health Care Council of Canada

As reported by the Health Council of Canada, a 2010 Commonwealth survey found that 42% of Canadians waited 2 hours or more in the emergency room, vs. 29% in the U.S.; 43% waited 4 weeks or more to see a specialist, vs. 10% in the U.S. The same survey states that 37% of Canadians say it is difficult to access care after hours (evenings, weekends or holidays) without going to the emergency department over 34% of Americans. Furthermore, 47% of Canadians, and 50% of Americans who visited emergency departments over the past two years feel that they could have been treated at their normal place of care if they were able to get an appointment.[43]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_health_care_systems_in_Canada_and_the_United_States
Just to pick the closest example.

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

No, I don't believe all Americans should be required to have health insurance.

I believe in socialized medicine. We are the only first world country without it. We spend more per capita and get shittier service than just about every other first world country.

And many if not most of them are running out of money.

We need to FIX the system that was broken by Medicare and Medicaid. Let's move to a HSA style program for EVERYONE over the coming years.

It will lower cost and provide universal coverage with a minimal amount of government management.

[Loco Vette]

And let insurance companies deal across state lines.

[Yerf Dog]

Apology time.

Dear Gentlemen of the ADL:

I am deeply remorseful that comments I recently made in the Playboy Interview were offensive to many Jewish people. Upon reading my comments in print—I see how insensitive they may be, and how they may indeed contribute to the furtherance of a false stereotype. Anything that contributes to this stereotype is unacceptable, including my own words on the matter. If, during the interview, I had been asked to elaborate on this point I would have pointed out that I had just finished reading Neal Gabler’s superb book about the Jews and Hollywood, An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews invented Hollywood. The fact is that our business, and my own career specifically, owes an enormous debt to that contribution.

I hope you will know that this apology is heartfelt, genuine, and that I have an enormous personal affinity for the Jewish people in general, and those specifically in my life. The Jewish People, persecuted thorough the ages, are the first to hear God’s voice, and surely are the chosen people.

I would like to sign off with “Shalom Aleichem”—but under the circumstances, perhaps today I lose the right to use that phrase, so I will wish you all peace–Gary Oldman.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Yerf Dog

Apology time.

translation:
my agent made me do it.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by lspencer534

That's the problem when you have politics control the health care system...but our Country is not a Socialist one. If you can successfullychange that, then go for it. Until then, it's not what this County is founded on. Sorry, but that's what the Constitution says. Remember, though, that there are implications to being labelled as a Socialistic Country.

Respectfully, I disagree.

This country IS socialist, and has been for a looong time. Social Security and Medicare are but just two prime examples of that.

Did you work 40 quarters for minimum wage? You get Medicare....you get the same access to medical care that somebody who maxed out their whole work life gets. From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.

And before we go blaming on party or another, consider Medicare Part D.

We ARE socialist, some states even more so than others. Take Texas. Want to gamble? The state owns the means of production....it runs the lottery. Try and start your own lottery (i.e. running numbers) and see what happens. There was a thread about booze in Utah. It seems Utah only allows some alcohol to be sold in state run stores. Government owning the means of production.....again.

I could go on, but you get the idea.

Why I and other students were taught that we are not a socialist country is beyond me.....it was a lie, because we have been socialist, since before I was born.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by TxAg

And it's worse than just Socialist.

It's worse because it's basically theft from the rich to the "poor". It's not like all the "entitlements" are dolled out equally to everyone.



Honestly that's fine by me because that follows the Constitution. It's a state's rights thing and each state can determine how they do gambling.



Actually gov't wouldn't own production, just limits distribution. Again I have no problem with this because state's rights.



I get the idea that you're not in favor of state's rights.



The US has, over the centuries, sadly become more socialist as more and more people are allowed to vote. That might sound bad to some, but it's true.
IMHO if you aren't paying income taxes you don't vote. Sucking the gov't teet? No vote for you. Unless you've got some "skin in the game" you don't get to vote people in to rob from my paycheck.

States rights? Really?

OK, the state of Texas decides that it should control the distribution of medicine since it has all powers not enumerated to the federal government, so now, all doctors must be employed by the state, and any doctor who fails to work for the state is now a criminal and any patient that tries to obtain medical service from a non state doctor is also a criminal. States rights? Really?

Maybe you and Joecoooool should share socialist paradise ideals. Because that's what you are supporting. How about if Texas just arbitrarily decided to nacionalize YOUR industry. Now you work for the state of Texas, or you don't work at all, because they are the only employer.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by TxAg

You're missing the point. If Texas passed laws and they did not violate federal laws, then why get pissy about everything being done legally?

Why would I get pissy about examples of socialism?

Because I was indoctrinated with the crazy idea that socialism and communism were bad. You must be somewhere around my age. We came of age during the Cold War, and we were taught that Commies are bad. Commies are evil. And socialism is just soft communism.....a precursor to communism.

Why did we bother to fight communism if we were going to do the same damned thing? In my example of the state taking over medicine and all doctors being required to work for the state, you don't see the exact parallel with Cuba? Or the USSR? That's what Utah has done with hard liquor. That's what Texas has done with gambling, save for a small exception for horse and dog tracks.

I'm sorry, I guess it's just a personal failing I have, that I was brought up to hate communists and socialists, just like others were brought up to hate fags. Actually, that isn't totally correct. I'm sure some socialists and communists are OK people personally, but I hate what they do and what they promote, I hate that they try to foist their idea of how I should live on me.

Oh, and nacionalización= nationalization in Spanish. I always thought it sounded more banana republic bs govt. control when said in Spanish for some reason.



Edit:

Here's a question for you. You are a conservative, right? Doesn't that imply you are for smaller, limited government? If so, then how can you not have a problem with Texas taking over liquor distribution, or taking over health care? How would a state takeover of an industry jibe with your conservative values?

[Bill]

Originally Posted by TxAg

Please define "take over". The way you are asserting it the state just came in out of the blue with no law passed and just decided to do something. If that were the case yeah I'd be a going and be upset.

Otherwise work to change the laws and the people making them. That's the structure/framework we have (for now).

Let's look at local history. Ever heard of the Balinese Room in Galveston? People flocked there from Houston to gamble. The state of Texas finally busted them and shut them down. Heard of 8 liners and game rooms? Again, people gambling, until the local city police departments shut them down.

Now, we've got this war on morality ongoing, people put out of work, business owners having their businesses shut down and what does the state of Texas do? Yeah, start their own gambling business......the state lottery.

Cliffs: Texas uses strong arm tactics to put competition out of business, then opens their own business. The Mob would be proud. And all nice and legal.

Excuse me if I don't applaud the conduct of the state of Texas.

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

No, I don't believe all Americans should be required to have health insurance.

I believe in socialized medicine. We are the only first world country without it. We spend more per capita and get shittier service than just about every other first world country.

Most of the other First world countries also restrict immigration and have ended birth right citizenship. How about supporting that as well?