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If we had a country like it was 150 years ago and beyond I would agree welfare should not exist. Problem is some of these people couldn't take care of themselves, when they fall on hard times if they wanted to, and most do want to. we're talking about a small percent who actually abuse the system. If they could go out and hunt and find shelter like they once could, sure stop it. But that's not the world we live in any longer. But I suppose we could make a law that requires famliy to take care of their family. Drug tests are more about insurance companies than reality and that's why it's entered the workforce. The arguments have now become. We got along with charities and family and people fending for themselves for years, so why should we have welfare. The same argument can also be made for these intrusive drug tests. Now suddenly we just can't do without them? Sorry, I ain't buying that! Alcohol is still the number one abused drug and nothing happens to anyone for having a hangover and ends up hurting themselves or someone else unless it still shows they are legally intoxicated. It hasn't stopped the corruption in business, the theft from business, or stupid people hurting themselves. |
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What you faile to relaize is that Welfare helped drive buiness out of the USA by taking a hunk of low cost labor out of the market place., It alsoi raised costs soince the landlords and local stores now had cusotmers who had a steady income stream so they could maintian or raise prices. As to the Charity statement. For two hundred years it worked What happened Before welfare? Were their dead and dying in the street? Where their massive food riots and unemployed battling it out on the streets? I can't recall them? I do believe that to end it completely will be disastrous. But end it we should. Start a ten year program. Each year cut welfare benefits and funding by 10% for the current level. ( about 70 billion a year) Then for th next 4 years anyone on welfare would be allowed to "Double dip" and work without penalty. New participants would keep getting less and less. Sooner or later they will stop the cycle of dependency and end up being productive citizens. Or they die. And thats not a bad deal either. |
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With the loss of jobs, and I mean decent jobs, and the influx of illegals we ar paying people to stay home and hiring the illegals to do the work they once did. Many of these problems are created by both government and those who feel it's important to make more money by offshoring. It's not just government at fault here. I'd like to lay the blame at their feet, but it's not reality. They hold more of the blame, but not all of it. If we aren't going to create jobs, then we don't have a huge argument for ending welfare imo. Create jobs, bring jobs back, rebuild this country. Then let's end welfare and the illegal problem all at the same time. Problem is neither side wants to address the issues except for us folks on a car forum. |
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Phil, In Florida they pay taxes on welfare? Please post up a link. http://www.ehow.com/info_7751311_wel...-taxation.html And welfare money does not come from unemployment funds. Where do you get that? Lastly If they are unable to provide for themselves why is it your and my responsibility to provide for them? In almost all cases they failed in some basic way to provide for themselves. |
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Tax Topics - Topic 418 Unemployment Compensation Unemployment checks come from the fees employers pay into the program. http://www.payroll-taxes.com/state-t...-state-tax.htm Society has made a decision that we need to help these people. Just as we have decided that we need to educate our children, or that we need to build roads and bridges. Besides, if we don't, I've already outlined what would happen. In the long run, public assistance is far far less expensive that jailing all the people who would resort to stealing to live. |
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Yes we made a decision to help people who had no avenue on a tempoarary basis.
We never agreed to make it a lifestyle, or receive it because you had a baby out of wedlock. If it went back to it's origins you would solve the illegal problem also. But the dems have been very good at getting votes for welfare and illegals. That's the bottom line. |
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no, they'll start living within their means. Sorry, food stamps and other government living has become more comfortable, more luxurious, and a better standard of living than many hard working Americans living within their means can afford.
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We are talking WELFARE here. Unemplyement has nothng to do with welfare. Road, Bridges are covered under the Constitution. Education is covered under state constitutions, as is some forms of welfare in a few states. Society decided along time ago that slavery was a good idea. Welfare is the same. Slavery to the government and needs to be abolished You keep saying without public assistance the street would be war zones and the jails will be full. But in fact thats an OPINION. The facts are , before welfare and public assonance , crime rates were about the same or lower and the streets, even in the Ghettos, were safe to walk on at night. Your argument is based on fear not reality. |
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It will not happen. Oh their will be riots. Break ins will rise. and lots of dead people will start being found in the morning. Mostly the Deadbeats, dropouts, druggie and drunks on welfare. But most will go out and find a way to stay alive without rioting. Their is always a way. |
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Why does the government tell us not to feed the animals in the wold? Because they will propagate to their food supply. Yet we provide food stamps to people who only reproduce. Last edited by VITE1; 09-04-2012 at 1:13pm. Reason: I procreated up |
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I just can't comprehend ME having to make sacrifices to pay taxes to support those who aren't willing to make sacrifices. |
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If I knew I had to live on it, I absolutely could. I lived off less than that for years while I was in college and yet here I am. To top it off, your math uses almost a 30% tax rate on an annual "income" of $14k. Ummmmm no. The problem is, we have a society filled with people who can't tell the difference between a WANT and a NEED backed by people willing to keep handing them checks. As an example, from your own liberal biased source, CNN, numbers show that almost 2/3. That's right, 2 in every 3 "poor" households have MULTIPLE televisions. Income inequality: Are you poor if you have a flat-screen TV - Aug. 1, 2012 Quote:
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How many of the home-owning poor are elderly? |
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