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ChasC5 · 06-14-2011, 10:38am

I’ll stick with my statement; if the Voting criteria used up to 2008 was good enough then, so I’m sure it’s good enough going forward.

Bill · 06-14-2011, 10:47am

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Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

you are really clueless.

200 years ago there WERE qualifiers to vote.

how can you not know this?

this ^^^ makes my point.

the reason we had no problem then...

votes were not bought with the promise of entitlement hand outs.

today, many vote for whoever will give them something...not who is the best leader for the time.

This guy sums it up best:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, followed always by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

Alexander Fraser Tytler

The even more shameful part of this is that now even non-citizens and whole foreign countries have figured out how to get American candidates elected so those foreigners can collect money from the US treasury, too.

ChasC5 · 06-14-2011, 11:05am

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Originally Posted by bill_daniels

This guy sums it up best:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, followed always by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

Alexander Fraser Tytler

The even more shameful part of this is that now even non-citizens and whole foreign countries have figured out how to get American candidates elected so those foreigners can collect money from the US treasury, too.

Maybe now is a good time to find a Hot Deal on a Private Island and plant your own Flag.

ChasC5 · 06-14-2011, 11:53am

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Originally Posted by TxAg

If it ain't broke don't fix it huh?

Well in that case, some feel the system wasn't broke when women and minorities couldn't vote.

Guess it's time to turn back the clock and make it like it was before people started meddling with the system.

I thought that's what we're talking about.

So what you’re saying is, it’s not enough to an American Citizen to Vote, you need to be Politically and Historically Astute also?

There are a lot of people who know little about Cars, but that’s not stopping them from buying Cars and Driving.

ChasC5 · 06-14-2011, 12:06pm

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Originally Posted by TxAg

They need to be educated and have a real, vested interest in the outcome. Not just voting for some 30 second sound bite and a hand out. Get it?

Driving a car is not a right. Get it?

I fundamentally disagree … and hope this country never gets that low.

Vested Interest in the Outcome will be subjective.

ChasC5 · 06-14-2011, 12:18pm

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Originally Posted by TxAg

Disagree about what? Driving be a privilage?

You ignored the rest of my point and history for that matter.

Look ... IMO ... the only reason why this is now an issue ... is to help the Republican Party regain the edge they are loosing rapidly.

Remember ... it's my opinion.

ChasC5 · 06-14-2011, 12:28pm

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Originally Posted by TxAg

You're entitled to your opinion. No matter who incorrect it is.

It’s what I truly believe is happening.

LATB · 06-14-2011, 6:28pm

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Originally Posted by ChasC5

Look ... IMO ... the only reason why this is now an issue ... is to help the Republican Party regain the edge they are loosing rapidly.

Remember ... it's my opinion.

you could not be more incorrect.

I started this portion of the debate in this thread...and I'm not a Republican.

The ONLY reason for a qualifier for voting is to insure the best & most informed voters possible...and in return, deliver us the best possible leadership.

It's not about party, it's about quality governing.

To deny that most politicians play to the lowest common denominator would be to be ignorant of the process.

Currently, and for the past few decades...that lowest common denominator is entitlements.

Both political parties do it...just one party is more successful in their efforts.

ChasC5 · 06-15-2011, 9:53am

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Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

you could not be more incorrect.

I started this portion of the debate in this thread...and I'm not a Republican.

The ONLY reason for a qualifier for voting is to insure the best & most informed voters possible...and in return, deliver us the best possible leadership.

It's not about party, it's about quality governing.

To deny that most politicians play to the lowest common denominator would be to be ignorant of the process.

Currently, and for the past few decades...that lowest common denominator is entitlements.

Both political parties do it...just one party is more successful in their efforts.

I respectfully disagree ...

Why should I know be able to Vote for someone I like and someone I would like to Lead?

LATB · 06-15-2011, 10:15am

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Originally Posted by ChasC5

I respectfully disagree ...

Why should I know be able to Vote for someone I like and someone I would like to Lead?

you mean "why should I not", correct?

because just because one is likeable, does in no way automatically make him/her a competent & quality leader with good governing/management qualifications.

an informed, and qualified voting public...better insures those qualities & qualifications exist in those they elect.

ChasC5 · 06-15-2011, 10:21am

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Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

you mean "why should I not", correct?

because just because one is likeable, does in no way automatically make him/her a competent & quality leader with good governing/management qualifications.

an informed, and qualified voting public...better insures those qualities & qualifications exist in those they elect.

iPad complete me before I know what I'm going to say .. F'cken apple.

Look you can't measure everyone in the United States with the same standards. It's not going to happen.

It's an open as Free Election and it should stay that way.

The next thing you know, they will be asking for 4 Year Degrees to Vote. Screw that, this is one oversight that doesn't need to happen.

Sure, you may get some Jimmy Carters or Gerald Fords ... but it's works on average. You can't always get your way in Election, but the good news is, there's always another one coming.

Big Brother needs to take a seat on this one.

LATB · 06-15-2011, 10:25am

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Originally Posted by chasc5

ipad complete me before i know what i'm going to say .. F'cken apple. :d

look you can't measure everyone in the united states with the same standards. It's not going to happen.

It's an open as free election and it should stay that way.

The next thing you know, they will be asking for 4 year degrees to vote. Screw that, this is one oversight that doesn't need to happen.

Sure, you may get some jimmy carters or gerald fords ... But it's works on average. You can't always get your way in election, but the good news is, there's always another one coming.

Big brother needs to take a seat on this one. :d

wtf???

ChasC5 · 06-15-2011, 10:35am

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Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

wtf???

Just providing my humble opinion ... if I may.

ChasC5 · 06-15-2011, 11:17am

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Originally Posted by TxAg

Sadly that is a rare thing these days.

Ever get a load of some of the morons running Fortune 500 Companies

ChasC5 · 06-15-2011, 11:46am

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Originally Posted by TxAg

As you say, if you think you can do better, have at it.

Are all people running a company brilliant? No.
Are all people running a company morons? No.

Your assertion is pathetic.

And all Liberals are what?

Ooops ... I feel a Gotcha moment coming Sarah.