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Old 09-08-2017, 08:14am   #41
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Well maybe we could focus on the LEGAL general public if we weren't distracted by 12+- million that don't belong here.
12+?? more like 30 million.......
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1 in 10 people are not illegal immigrants,
They're working on it.
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1 in 10 people are not illegal immigrants,


It's around 11.1 million

How Pew Research Center estimates illegal immigration | Pew Research Center

Yet we have 67 Million collecting means tested welfare.
Welfare Statistics and Demographics – Statistic Brain

Many are collecting simply because thier business don;t have to pay them more because the illegals are deflating the wages of the lower class.

It's time to get the illegals out of the USA and the people on welfare off thier butts and getting paid market wages.

The best way to reduce illegal immigration is to end birth right citizenship and reduce all means tested welfare by 30-50%. Watch how fast the America people kick the illegals out when they start to starve.
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It's around 11.1 million

How Pew Research Center estimates illegal immigration | Pew Research Center

Yet we have 67 Million collecting means tested welfare.
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Many are collecting simply because thier business don;t have to pay them more because the illegals are deflating the wages of the lower class.

It's time to get the illegals out of the USA and the people on welfare off thier butts and getting paid market wages.

The best way to reduce illegal immigration is to end birth right citizenship and reduce all means tested welfare by 30-50%. Watch how fast the America people kick the illegals out when they start to starve.

Seems like every run of the mill commoner and nobody I talk to recognizes this, but our elected leaders not only do nothing, they don't even give lip service to it. Even Trump, with his great bully pulpit, is virtually mute on this issue. Now is the time, and the DACA fight is the hill that this fight needs to be won on.
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Seems like every run of the mill commoner and nobody I talk to recognizes this, but our elected leaders not only do nothing, they don't even give lip service to it. Even Trump, with his great bully pulpit, is virtually mute on this issue. Now is the time, and the DACA fight is the hill that this fight needs to be won on.
As I've said before trump should offer to given the non criminal dreamers conditional amnesty if they stay crime free and gainfully employed for the next 5 years.

But

Demand Birth right citizenship end for anyone born to people who are not legally in the USA.
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I still would like to see them ALL go back to wherever they came from. If they truly want to become AMERICAN citizens, there are specific paths to follow.

Simple as that.
X10000

My Mom and Grandmother and that entire side of the family did it that way, and they came out of FAR worse circumstances than these so-called "dreamers."

No sympathy or empathy here. Follow the law, do it right, or don't do it.
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1 in 10 people are not illegal immigrants,
THAT YOU KNOW OF, that is....
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My Mom and Grandmother and that entire side of the family did it that way, and they came out of FAR worse circumstances than these so-called "dreamers."

No sympathy or empathy here. Follow the law, do it right, or don't do it.
My GP's came over in 1895, teenagers, I guess their folks saw the shit hitting the fan over there and encouraged them to on out while room to
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Oh right, they tripled overnight any nobody noticed.
Much like the inability to understand "illegal" I guess "undocumented" is also a mystery term.

"Ok all illegal aliens, please form a single file line and register here so we know how many of you there are"
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If you and your parents snuck into Disney World. Who is to blame when Disney catches you and evicts you from the park?

It's not disneys fault, it's likely your parents fault and no Disney doesn't owe you another single ride.
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Yeah, we're so bad at counting that we're off b6 a factor of 4.

Of, right, we aren't.
I really DGAS if it is off by 1 person. I don't care if the 11M number is double the real number. Regardless of how many, they need to be GONE !
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No Mercy for "Dreamers" unless we get our border wall, an end to birthright citizenship, a repeal of the Hart–Celler Act, a permanent bar on any welfare of any kind to immigrants, etc., etc., etc.

Reagan was a nice guy and let people stay. California IMMEDIATELY transformed from a reliable red state in POTUS elections to a blue state, and by 2016 the GOP candidate for POTUS literally got doubled-up 8 million to 4 million votes.

No more anchor babies, and no more immigrants who are not already fluent in English and who do not have a skill that is (a) in short supply here, and (b) enables them to provide for themselves. No more effing foreign tech workers to get trained by American workers who then get ****-canned either.

Oh, and NO admission for any dreamer to ANY University that receives federal funding. Private schools can do what they want, NO taking a spot at any state university and denying an actual American citizen that spot.

And most importantly of all NO voting rights EVER for ANYONE who came to this country illegally.

Do all that and maybe I'll give a rats behind about the Dreamers. For now, I'm a bit more concerned with every AMERICAN who has taken it and will take it in the @$$ someway, somehow, because of Illegal immigrants and illegal immigration, and while we're on the immigration subject visa program abuse as well.
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Yeah, we're so bad at counting that we're off by a factor of 4.

Oh, right, we aren't.
.gov claims 12, I hear much closer to 30 megs.....and so 12x2= 25 megs, conversationally, since no one has a REAL count due to .gov incompetence.....

or political crap.....takes your pick.....

I say look at the welfare rolls.....that tells the tale....how many latina last names per house?? THAT plus a FAIR/HONEST estimate of how much factual WORK is getting done, and no SS payments/etc.....

much less how many ILLEGALS get a driver license?? 20 years ago I had to sent do Glen Burnie Faryland to get a copy of my BIRTH cert to get a Florida d/l......pardon ME but it was lost in 50 years+ NOW if they demand I get a CERT that I"m alive....why not the ILLEGALS and their offspring????

anything different than MY train of thought is pure bullshit.....I"m correct and I damn well KNOW it.....

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No Mercy for "Dreamers" unless we get our border wall, an end to birthright citizenship, a repeal of the Hart–Celler Act, a permanent bar on any welfare of any kind to immigrants, etc., etc., etc.

Reagan was a nice guy and let people stay. California IMMEDIATELY transformed from a reliable red state in POTUS elections to a blue state, and by 2016 the GOP candidate for POTUS literally got doubled-up 8 million to 4 million votes.

No more anchor babies, and no more immigrants who are not already fluent in English and who do not have a skill that is (a) in short supply here, and (b) enables them to provide for themselves. No more effing foreign tech workers to get trained by American workers who then get ****-canned either.

Oh, and NO admission for any dreamer to ANY University that receives federal funding. Private schools can do what they want, NO taking a spot at any state university and denying an actual American citizen that spot.

And most importantly of all NO voting rights EVER for ANYONE who came to this country illegally.

Do all that and maybe I'll give a rats behind about the Dreamers. For now, I'm a bit more concerned with every AMERICAN who has taken it and will take it in the @$$ someway, somehow, because of Illegal immigrants and illegal immigration, and while we're on the immigration subject visa program abuse as well.




























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No Mercy for "Dreamers" unless we get our border wall, an end to birthright citizenship, a repeal of the Hart–Celler Act, a permanent bar on any welfare of any kind to immigrants, etc., etc., etc.

Reagan was a nice guy and let people stay. California IMMEDIATELY transformed from a reliable red state in POTUS elections to a blue state, and by 2016 the GOP candidate for POTUS literally got doubled-up 8 million to 4 million votes.

No more anchor babies, and no more immigrants who are not already fluent in English and who do not have a skill that is (a) in short supply here, and (b) enables them to provide for themselves. No more effing foreign tech workers to get trained by American workers who then get ****-canned either.

Oh, and NO admission for any dreamer to ANY University that receives federal funding. Private schools can do what they want, NO taking a spot at any state university and denying an actual American citizen that spot.

And most importantly of all NO voting rights EVER for ANYONE who came to this country illegally.

Do all that and maybe I'll give a rats behind about the Dreamers. For now, I'm a bit more concerned with every AMERICAN who has taken it and will take it in the @$$ someway, somehow, because of Illegal immigrants and illegal immigration, and while we're on the immigration subject visa program abuse as well.



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