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Old 08-26-2020, 3:09pm   #21
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Looks like the people that got shot certainly had it coming. Still, why was a 17 year old out there with a damn rifle? Not like he was protecting his property. It won't end well for him.
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Looks like the people that got shot certainly had it coming. Still, why was a 17 year old out there with a damn rifle? Not like he was protecting his property. It won't end well for him.

The videos clearly show self defense. Hell, the kid was actually running away from the mob. When he tripped and fell, he started getting attacked. I have no doubt he would have been killed or seriously wounded had he not opened up with his AR. Think about that. The mob was so enraged they chased after a guy with a gun....then attacked him. Had he not killed the skate punk, one good hit with that long board could have easily killed him or left him a vegetable. The other guy pulled a handgun. What was the guy fleeing supposed to do? Just sit there and let them kill him?

I don't care if he is a blm supporter....he still has the right to defend himself, and he clearly 1) tried desperately to retreat, 2) was physically attacked, and 3) was on the ground....he could no longer flee.


Charges against this guy are total bullshit.
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The videos clearly show self defense. Hell, the kid was actually running away from the mob. When he tripped and fell, he started getting attacked. I have no doubt he would have been killed or seriously wounded had he not opened up with his AR. Think about that. The mob was so enraged they chased after a guy with a gun....then attacked him. Had he not killed the skate punk, one good hit with that long board could have easily killed him or left him a vegetable. The other guy pulled a handgun. What was the guy fleeing supposed to do? Just sit there and let them kill him?

I don't care if he is a blm supporter....he still has the right to defend himself, and he clearly 1) tried desperately to retreat, 2) was physically attacked, and 3) was on the ground....he could no longer flee.


Charges against this guy are total bullshit.
Back to my original statement. Why was a 17 year old (minor) out in a riot with a damn gun? Yes, he was attacked, and apparently, he was part of the mob that attacked him. I have 0 sympathy for his stupid ass. Anyone, and everyone taking part in that mess should be in prison. BTW, I don't feel sorry for the dummies that got shot either. It would be one thing if he was with his parents defending their home/business, etc. but no, he was out there participating in the mayhem. Off to the gulag....
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Couple things.

Guy chased down who falls has a shot gun. He catches one guy in the arm and kills another. A different guy with an AR popped an attacker in the head at the burning car dealer.

Two different incidents.

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The videos clearly show self defense. Hell, the kid was actually running away from the mob. When he tripped and fell, he started getting attacked. I have no doubt he would have been killed or seriously wounded had he not opened up with his AR. Think about that. The mob was so enraged they chased after a guy with a gun....then attacked him. Had he not killed the skate punk, one good hit with that long board could have easily killed him or left him a vegetable. The other guy pulled a handgun. What was the guy fleeing supposed to do? Just sit there and let them kill him?

I don't care if he is a blm supporter....he still has the right to defend himself, and he clearly 1) tried desperately to retreat, 2) was physically attacked, and 3) was on the ground....he could no longer flee.


Charges against this guy are total bullshit.
17 and lives in Illinois.
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The kid has been charged with murder. I think he needs a defense fund set up for him.
This is how you get more of this shit. Keep protecting the rioters.
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17 and lives in Illinois.
I understand that. If I cross state lines, does that mean I lose my right to self defense? Seems like a really shitty choice. Become the next BLM victim, or go to jail for defending yourself.
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I understand that. If I cross state lines, does that mean I lose my right to self defense? Seems like a really shitty choice. Become the next BLM victim, or go to jail for defending yourself.
I wasn't disagreeing with anything you said, still stupid for him to be out there at all.
I'll hold off on judgement until more details are known.
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I wasn't disagreeing with anything you said, still stupid for him to be out there at all.
I'll hold off on judgement until more details are known.
Contrary to some saying he was with BLM, there is an interview with him earlier in the day.. He was stating he was there to protect the businesses. I will also wait for more details to make a determination.
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I wasn't disagreeing with anything you said, still stupid for him to be out there at all.
I'll hold off on judgement until more details are known.
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These lyrics are best sung to a Western 50's type of minor-key ballad, accompanied by a single steel strung guitar with a rolling-beat strumming pattern... and by a Baritone, of course.


I'm thinking A minor.
Actually, it flows with Marty Robbins' Big Iron on His Hip.....
I think that was what inspired the new lyrics.
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One was in a car lot. Guy shot in head. This incident was in the street. The shotgun guy walked to the police cars. The 17 year old fled back to Illinois.
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There is a lot of conflicting information. Iím really curious to hear more about this. Far left saying heís a deranged neonatzi, far right calling him a patriot, others saying heís just dumb. No matter what happened, he should not have been there.
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This is how you get more of this shit. Keep protecting the rioters.
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From what I've read he was there protecting businesses, it may have been a family business. If so and he was no part of the rioters I defend his right to self defense.
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Still not certain. Press reports say 2 dead, one injured. Video shows one guy in parking lot shot in the head (presumably died). Wound does not look like a shotgun blast. His head is intact. Second video shows street attack where kid using shotgun hits one in abdomen (dead) and one in the arm who pointed a handgun at kid. That is a shotgun wound for certain.

Then the kid walks to the police cars with hands up. I read they did take him into custody but released him. Now they are saying he fled.

Two shooters with different weapons makes more sense. Only two people shot in street video (one in abdomen and one in arm). Guy shot in head (who oddly begs to be shot earlier) is laying between cars at dealer.

Different locations, different weapons. Two dead, one injured.

EDIT: maybe Iím wrong

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=RfqEvuc3HM4

Looks like the same shooter. He must have a semi auto shotgun. No way would an AR take a six inch chunk out an arm. I canít imagine he switched rifles either. Something is odd.
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Still not certain. Press reports say 2 dead, one injured. Video shows one guy in parking lot shot in the head (presumably died). Wound does not look like a shotgun blast. His head is intact. Second video shows street attack where kid using shotgun hits one in abdomen (dead) and one in the arm who pointed a handgun at kid. That is a shotgun wound for certain.

Then the kid walks to the police cars with hands up. I read they did take him into custody but released him. Now they are saying he fled.

Two shooters with different weapons makes more sense. Only two people shot in street video (one in abdomen and one in arm). Guy shot in head (who oddly begs to be shot earlier) is laying between cars at dealer.

Different locations, different weapons. Two dead, one injured.
Yeah, there's a lot of (mis)information out there.
I've read the AR kid was protecting businesses, I've read that he was protection for BLM.
Who knows what the truth is?
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