Well...IRS is paid

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Taxation is theft. Period.

[Vette40th]

From 1913 and on.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

Taxation is theft. Period.

Without taxes, who is paying for roads, emergency services, military, utilities infrastructure, schools, etc etc.

Wasteful taxation maybe but all taxes are not theft.

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Originally Posted by SurfnSun

Without taxes, who is paying for roads, emergency services, military, utilities infrastructure, schools, etc etc.

Wasteful taxation maybe but all taxes are not theft.

Socialism much?

You fix that by assigning a cost to use them, like a service. All roads...toll roads unless you pave them yourself. All schools, pay to use. Same with infrastructure, utilities, etc.

ALL TAXATION IS THEFT. They're taking your money by force, coercion, or threat to spend as they see fit. That is the very definition of theft.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

Socialism much?

You fix that by assigning a cost to use them, like a service. All roads...toll roads unless you pave them yourself. All schools, pay to use. Same with infrastructure, utilities, etc.

ALL TAXATION IS THEFT. They're taking your money by force, coercion, or threat to spend as they see fit. That is the very definition of theft.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 not even responding to that stupidity…you’re beyond logical reason

[KenHorse]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

Socialism much?

You fix that by assigning a cost to use them, like a service. All roads...toll roads unless you pave them yourself. All schools, pay to use. Same with infrastructure, utilities, etc.

ALL TAXATION IS THEFT. They're taking your money by force, coercion, or threat to spend as they see fit. That is the very definition of theft.

So there's no difference between taxation without representation and taxation with representation?

[Onebadcad]

We will not have to argue about taxes for long, as should socialists succeed in NOV, they will not have to tax, as they will seize and imprison and execute the opposition.

If they can do what they are doing to TRUMP today (take his money, set him up for jail, keep him from his family, etc...), they can do it to you.

[Vette40th]

Gulags were nasty. Many socialist programs have shown over and over they dont work.

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Originally Posted by KenHorse

So there's no difference between taxation without representation and taxation with representation?

Not in today's society.

It's more like taxation with the politicians determination of adequate representation unless sued by someone causing evaluation by a judicial branch representative who can then determine if the representation is adequate in line with the constitution which is then subject to appeal.

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Originally Posted by SurfnSun

🤣🤣🤣🤣 not even responding to that stupidity…you’re beyond logical reason

Or you can't argue it's validity.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

Or you can't argue it's validity.

oh, its EASY to destroy your attempt at an argument, its just not worth my time.

KenHorse already did. If you have ever voted in an election, you're a hypocrite.

or driven on a highway, used the internet, used public school...I could go on for days. The reality you're not a thinker you wouldn't post stupid quotes seen on twitter.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

Socialism much?

You fix that by assigning a cost to use them, like a service. All roads...toll roads unless you pave them yourself. All schools, pay to use. Same with infrastructure, utilities, etc.

ALL TAXATION IS THEFT. They're taking your money by force, coercion, or threat to spend as they see fit. That is the very definition of theft.

This ^^^

I have said for years...
if every payroll employee seen a line item cost for their services as a portion of their withholding taxes there would be an income tax revolution. But the brain dead sheeple have been indoctrinated to only consider the "take home pay".
Idiots.

[Kevin68]

The constitutional functions of the Federal gov't is very short list. Road, schools, healthcare, welfare.... are all the constitutional domain of the states. In short, and IMO they were nationalized in the belief that someone else would pay for their pet project.

The fact that one use(d)(s) Federally funded public schools, roads, etc. does not make one a hypocrite. There is no other legal choice, especially considering that a significant portion of our wages have been confiscated at the point of a gun and used in ways we have no real control over. That's like saying that if I don't vote I have no right to complain about the state of government. Either I own the fruits of my labor or I don't. Either our creator endowed us with an unconditioned natural right to freedom/pursuit of happiness or he didn't.

LATB is correct. If we saw the itemized list of our tax bill there would be a revolution.

[LATB]

LATB is correct. If we saw the itemized list of our tax bill there would be a revolution.

Probably the reason most small businesses people and those self employed are conservatives.

[Kevin68]

Originally Posted by LATB

Probably the reason most small businesses people and those self employed are conservatives.

That, and the fact that we have earned everything we have through hard work, dedication to our trade/profession, and, if we've been successful for a long time, honest dealings with our customers and employees. We know that "there's no such thing as a free lunch." - from The Moon is a Harsh Mistress Robert Heinlein "TNSTAAFL"

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by Kevin68

The constitutional functions of the Federal gov't is very short list. Road, schools, healthcare, welfare.... are all the constitutional domain of the states. In short, and IMO they were nationalized in the belief that someone else would pay for their pet project.

The fact that one use(d)(s) Federally funded public schools, roads, etc. does not make one a hypocrite. There is no other legal choice, especially considering that a significant portion of our wages have been confiscated at the point of a gun and used in ways we have no real control over. That's like saying that if I don't vote I have no right to complain about the state of government. Either I own the fruits of my labor or I don't. Either our creator endowed us with an unconditioned natural right to freedom/pursuit of happiness or he didn't.

LATB is correct. If we saw the itemized list of our tax bill there would be a revolution.

When you vote for a public official and endorse them, you are essentially agreeing to be taxed to pay their salary.

Even if states were left to put roads in, how do you expect them to pay for the roads apart from taxes?

[Kevin68]

Originally Posted by SurfnSun

When you vote for a public official and endorse them, you are essentially agreeing to be taxed to pay their salary.

I am agreeing to no such thing. What if my chosen representative is unsuccessful in passing my/his preferred policies? Am I the sheep amongst wolves deciding on the menu? I've forfeited my rights and freedoms?

What if I don't vote? Are my rights conditioned on making a choice between a shit sandwich or a yeast taco?

Originally Posted by SurfnSun

Even if states were left to put roads in, how do you expect them to pay for the roads apart from taxes?

Tolls/user fees. Your creativity is astonishingly low.

[KenHorse]

Originally Posted by Kevin68

Tolls/user fees. Your creativity is astonishingly low.

How does that work for public safety?

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by Kevin68

Tolls/user fees. Your creativity is astonishingly low.

🤣 right. Because what is a toll but a road usage tax. Where does the money come from to build the road to collect the tolls? Without taxes the govt has no income to get a loan or bond from 😂


You taxation is theft people crack me up. Go find a first world county without any taxes. You won’t but Somalia comes to mind if that’s your idea of a tax free utopia.

[Vette40th]

I have a 4runner, I dont need the roads paved.. Thnx