[Political] So I was having a conversation today............................

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by z06psi

with two adult voters.


Both said they were more concerned with the sideshow that is Donald J. Trump's personality than any law, policy, or executive order signed by him.

YHGTBFKM.

Feelings will make this country fail.

It's not "the meek that shall inherit the earth" but "the weak will inherit this country".

That is all.

I care ONLY about what he does to, and for, this country. Everything...and I mean EVERYTHING else is noise and is of no concern. He has ONE job. That he does it, matters, how he does it, is inconsequential as far as I am concerned.

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by Thomas

People are largely a product of their environment. They don’t learn these ridiculous ideals in a vacuum.

The first thing and absolutely the most difficult is to get them to shelve their preconceived ideas. But how do you manage that?

In my opinion, this is where Trump failed absolutely. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - while it has its comedic value, trolling the media isn’t the wisest thing in the world. You’ve got to demonstrate your policies are effective which I think he’s attempted to do. But who hears it over the din of ‘Fake news!’


Trump HAS given some speeches where I thought he absolutely hit a grand slam. He was concise and sounded Presidential. The next day he’d Tweet about Hillary being unable to satisfy Bill. Christ. REALLY?

Not to mention, a 3rd grader can tell he's a complete incompetent, sociopath, liar.
It's not rocket science, but some think dumb, uninformed people shouldn't vote? You gotta be really dumb and uninformed not to be affected by and see through his bs.

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Originally Posted by aerovette

I care ONLY about what he does to, and for, this country. Everything...and I mean EVERYTHING else is noise and is of no concern. He has ONE job. That he does it, matters, how he does it, is inconsequential as far as I am concerned.

You CAN’T just look at the bottom line and call it a win. How you achieve your results makes a difference in how successful you are in your next endeavor. And Trump’s next endeavor is his re-election which I’m afraid he’ll lose BECAUSE he was so ****in’ ham handed.

[z06psi]

I see the TDS has come in.

No objectivity at all.

[z06psi]

Originally Posted by Thomas

You CAN’T just look at the bottom line and call it a win. How you achieve your results makes a difference in how successful you are in your next endeavor. And Trump’s next endeavor is his re-election which I’m afraid he’ll lose BECAUSE he was so ****in’ ham handed.

I care about the bottom line.

A personality passes.

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Results matter. I agree. HOW you get them matters also. I suspect Trump is going to find this out.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by z06psi

How should he have handled it?

Complete lock down and restrictions of freedom like China?

Pick any country that's currently doing better than we are and I'd be happy with that approach.

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Originally Posted by z06psi

How should he have handled it?

Complete lock down and restrictions of freedom like China?

Absolutely ****in’ NOT. I’m willing to give him and everyone else the benefit of the doubt we’re in uncharted territory here and the path forward is probably going to be challenging and uncertain.

He was doomed regardless of what he did. The more conservative want to be given the information they need to make an informed decision. The rest are chickenshit and need to be TOLD what to do and even take it a step further by telling YOU what’s best for you.

[dwjz06]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

It will also be due to the incompetent way he handled the COVID-19 situation. Thanks to him we're squarely in the Top 10 hottest COVID hot spots in the world.



https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...countries.html

Nope you cannot put this on him Fred, and I do not believe any of the fuggin numbers anymore. And if you search you can find plenty of countries that handled things pretty damn good without this lock down crap.

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Pick any country that's currently doing better than we are and I'd be happy with that approach.

Google is your friend right?

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Thomas

You CAN’T just look at the bottom line and call it a win. How you achieve your results makes a difference in how successful you are in your next endeavor. And Trump’s next endeavor is his re-election which I’m afraid he’ll lose BECAUSE he was so ****in’ ham handed.

He's a business man. He understands the bottom line. In the case of the government, the bottom line is the health and wealth of the nation and its people. If he has to crack a few NK skulls or Iraqi, Turkish, whatever, skulls and slap the UN around and tell France they're a bunch of pussies, and our stocks rise and our unemployment drops, then so be it. I won't say it is unconditional or that anything goes, but reasonably, I'm ok with any means to an end. If the health and wealth of THIS nation is great, then screw the rest of them. They don't give a shit about us anyway. I think of the US and other countries, like I do Elvis and his entourage. They hated the shit he made them do, but they sure liked the benefit of being around him. We don't have allies because there are actual friendships. We have allies because there is something in it for one of the two sides.

[BADRACR1]

Originally Posted by aerovette

He's a business man. He understands the bottom line. In the case of the government, the bottom line is the health and wealth of the nation and its people. If he has to crack a few NK skulls or Iraqi, Turkish, whatever, skulls and slap the UN around and tell France they're a bunch of pussies, and our stocks rise and our unemployment drops, then so be it. I won't say it is unconditional or that anything goes, but reasonably, I'm ok with any means to an end. If the health and wealth of THIS nation is great, then screw the rest of them. They don't give a shit about us anyway. I think of the US and other countries, like I do Elvis and his entourage. They hated the shit he made them do, but they sure liked the benefit of being around him. We don't have allies because there are actual friendships. We have allies because there is something in for one of the two sides.

This man gets it. I have been saying for decades what we need to lead this country is a businessman. The United States is a business. It should be ran like one. JFK Jr. once said what we needed was a businessman to lead this country, someone like his friend Donald Trump. He is brash, uncouth, rude, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the s.o.b. can run a business. I'm good with everything else getting a pass. Hell, sometimes I even enjoy it.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Pick any country that's currently doing better than we are and I'd be happy with that approach.

Sweden?

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by dwjz06

Nope you cannot put this on him Fred, and I do not believe any of the fuggin numbers anymore. And if you search you can find plenty of countries that handled things pretty damn good without this lock down crap.

Exactly my point. If Trump is doing such a great job then why did he allow needlessly-economy-destroying lockdowns? Part of Making America Great is getting us into the BOTTOM 10 of COVID cases, not the TOP 10.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Sweden?

Or South Korea, or Taiwan... Hell, even Italy is doing better today than we are.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Or South Korea, or Taiwan... Hell, even Italy is doing better today than we are.

Italy has 585 COVID deaths per million people. The U.S has 528. How is Italy better?

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Italy has 585 COVID deaths per million people. The U.S has 528. How is Italy better?

Cite.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Italy has 585 COVID deaths per million people. The U.S has 528. How is Italy better?

US is #5 . Italy isn't even in the top 10.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...countries.html

[z06psi]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Pick any country that's currently doing better than we are and I'd be happy with that approach.

So no answer.

[snide]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Exactly my point. If Trump is doing such a great job then why did he allow needlessly-economy-destroying lockdowns? Part of Making America Great is getting us into the BOTTOM 10 of COVID cases, not the TOP 10.

Trump didn't lock down the states, the democrap governors did.

[Rodnok1]

Originally Posted by snide

Trump didn't lock down the states, the democrap governors did.

He stated early on he wouldn't and probably didn't have the authority to begin with.