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Old 05-07-2010, 9:31pm   #1
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I'm Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen. I want to explain SB 1070 which I voted for and was just signed by Governor Jan Brewer.


Rancher Rob Krantz was murdered by the drug cartel on his ranch a month ago. I participated in a senate hearing two weeks ago on the border violence, here is just some of the highlights from those who testified.

The people who live within 60 to 80 miles of the Arizona/Mexico Border have for years been terrorized and have pleaded for help to stop the daily invasion of humans who cross their property . One Rancher testified that 300 to 1200 people a DAY come across his ranch vandalizing his property, stealing his vehicles and property, cutting down his fences, and leaving trash. In the last
two years he has found 17 dead bodies and two Koran bibles.

Another rancher testified that daily drugs are brought across his ranch in a military operation. A point man with a machine gun goes in front, 1/2 mile behind are the guards fully armed, 1/2 mile behind them are the drugs, behind the drugs 1/2 mile are more guards. These people are violent and they will kill anyone who gets in the way. This was not the only rancher we heard that day that talked about the drug trains.

One man told of two illegal's who came upon his property one shot in the back and the other in the arm by the drug runners who had forced them to carry the drugs and then shot them. Daily they listen to gun fire during the night it is not safe to leave his family alone on the ranch and they can't leave the ranch for fear of nothing being left when they come back.

The border patrol is not on the border. They have set up 60 miles away with check points that do nothing to stop the invasion. They are not allowed to use force in stopping anyone who is entering. They run around chasing them, if they get their hands on them then they can take them back across the border.

Federal prisons have over 35% illegal's and 20% of Arizona prisons are filled with illegals. In the last few years 80% of our law enforcement that have been killed or wounded have been by an illegal.

The majority of people coming now are people we need to be worried about. The ranchers told us that they have seen a change in the people coming they are not just those who are looking for work and a better life.

The Federal Government has refused for years to do anything to help the border states . We have been over run and once they are here we have the burden of funding state services that they use. Education cost have been over a billion dollars. The healthcare cost billions of dollars. Our State is broke, $3.5 billion deficit and we have many serious decisions to make. One is that we do not have the money to care for any who are not here legally. It has to stop.
The border can be secured. We have the technology we have the ability to stop this invasion. We must know who is coming and they must come in an organized manner legally so that we can assimilate them into our population and protect the sovereignty of our country. We are a nation of laws. We have a responsibility to protect our citizens and to protect the integrity of our country and the government which we live under.

I would give amnesty today to many, but here is the problem, we dare not do this until the Border is secure. It will do no good to forgive them because thousands will come behind them and we will be over run to the point that there will no longer be the United States of America but a North American Union of open borders.

I ask you what form of government will we live under? How long will it be before we will be just like Mexico , Canada or any of the
other Central American or South American countries? We have already lost our language, everything must be printed in Spanish also. We have already lost our history--it is no longer taught in our schools. And we have lost our borders.

The leftist media has distorted what SB 1070 will do. It is not going to set up a Nazi Germany. Are you kidding. The ACLU and the leftist courts will do everything to protect those who are here illegally, but it was an effort to try and stop illegal's from setting up businesses, and employment, and receiving state services and give the ability to local law enforcement when there is probable cause like a traffic stop to determine if they are here legally. Federal law is very clear if you are here on a visa you must have your papers on you at all times. That is the law. In Arizona all you need to show you are a legal citizen is a driver license, MVD identification card,
Native American Card, or a Military ID. This is what you need to vote, get a hunting license, etc.. So nothing new has been added to this law. No one is going to be stopped walking down the street etc...

The Socialist who are in power in DC are angry because we dare try and do something and that something the Socialist wants us to do is just let them come. They want the "Transformation" to continue.

Maybe it is too late to save America . Maybe we are not worthy of freedom anymore. But as an elected official I must try to do what I can to protect our Constitutional Republic . Living in America is not a right just because you can walk across the border. Being an American is a responsibility and it comes by respecting and upholding the Constitution the law of our land which says what you must do to be a citizen of this country. Freedom is not free.
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We do not have the illegal problem like the border states but I am about fed up with the few we have.
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I applaud Arizona for standing up for the people, as the article said we have lost our language, our history,and apparently our borders. I just cant see how the rest of america doesnt see whats going on???
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Say what you want about the French but at least they are a country that has the balls to do something about a PROBLEM. More balls than our politicians in DC.

I'm happy as hell that Arizona has said enough and is taking a stand. While the liberal press and entertainers are in an uproar, the majority of Americans should be supporting and congratulating Arizona.

I'm glad I won't be around this country in 50 years. If nothing is done, it's going straight down the $hitter.
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put some CEO's in jail. the illegal problem will end overnight.
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put some CEO's in jail. the illegal problem will end overnight.
Explain? I don't understand the relevance, please.
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Explain? I don't understand the relevance, please.
CEO's hire illegals. it's against the law. put 'em in jail & there will be no illegal immigration problem. it will go away overnight. legalize drugs & tax them, ditto.
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CEO's hire illegals. it's against the law. put 'em in jail & there will be no illegal immigration problem. it will go away overnight. legalize drugs & tax them, ditto.
I agree to point. Legalizing all drugs, not good. Marijuana okay maybe but I have some LEO (Narcotics) friends that disagree with this also.

Then anyone that hires illegals, to include the guy that picks up the guys down at the Home Depot needs to get time also. It's not just the CEO's, it's the Hollywood elitist that hires an illegal gardener or maid or nanny also.
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I agree to point. Legalizing all drugs, not good. Marijuana okay maybe but I have some LEO (Narcotics) friends that disagree with this also.

Then anyone that hires illegals, to include the guy that picks up the guys down at the Home Depot needs to get time also. It's not just the CEO's, it's the Hollywood elitist that hires an illegal gardener or maid or nanny also.
to kill a snake you cut the head off. CEO's employee lots more illegals than the guys picking them up at the Home Depot.
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to kill a snake you cut the head off. CEO's employee lots more illegals than the guys picking them up at the Home Depot.
But hiring ANY illegal is..well....illegal so just because the person perpetrating the offense is a CEO, you cannot under law treat him differently. You can, however, enforce the law across the board and arrest ANYONE who employs an illegal.
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But hiring ANY illegal is..well....illegal so just because the person perpetrating the offense is a CEO, you cannot under law treat him differently. You can, however, enforce the law across the board and arrest ANYONE who employs an illegal.
I agree, but we need to address the problem where it begins. I don't employee illegals, do you? the reality of the whole thing is, illegals are built into our economy. they work cheap. they work hard.they are a business man's dream come true. whether he's he's a small business man or a giant corporation. we can hope this will change, but it won't. reason: Corporate America
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CEO's hire illegals. it's against the law. put 'em in jail & there will be no illegal immigration problem. it will go away overnight. legalize drugs & tax them, ditto.
Any major company having over 50 employees is required by federal law to maintain photo ID records of all employees. If the Employees are providing false identity records, how is that the CEO's responsibility?

Are you suggesting we empower corporations to privately police the validity of personal documents? If not, how do you propose that CEO's ensure that all employees are in fact legitimate citizens?
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Any major company having over 50 employees is required by federal law to maintain photo ID records of all employees. If the Employees are providing false identity records, how is that the CEO's responsibility?

Are you suggesting we empower corporations to privately police the validity of personal documents? If not, how do you propose that CEO's ensure that all employees are in fact legitimate citizens?

Do you know if they only use that law for "full time" employees? I have to believe most all large farming that requires hand picking is done by illlegals?
I'm sure that requires more than 50 for any large scale operation.
I know in my wifes place they pay them peanuts and can get away with it because they are labeled "salery employees" their legality is doubtful at best.

I do know one longtime cook was caught and deported a short time ago. He was there 15+ years.
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We could cut all the Govt programs which aid illegals and use that money to build a sweet ass wall with razor wire and gun turretts.
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Any major company having over 50 employees is required by federal law to maintain photo ID records of all employees. If the Employees are providing false identity records, how is that the CEO's responsibility?

Are you suggesting we empower corporations to privately police the validity of personal documents? If not, how do you propose that CEO's ensure that all employees are in fact legitimate citizens?
the government could help in identifying false documents used by illegals by running a background check on the social security card & i.d. of new employees. I have seen company officer involvement first hand when it comes to this.I had a manager at a wood products plant call all his supervisors together & tell them "you guys need to get a Spanish English dictionary & learn the language, because we will be hiring no more locals here at this plant." they know what's going on.
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the government could help in identifying false documents used by illegals by running a background check on the social security card & i.d. of new employees. I have seen company officer involvement first hand when it comes to this.I had a manager at a wood products plant call all his supervisors together & tell them "you guys need to get a Spanish English dictionary & learn the language, because we will be hiring no more locals here at this plant." they know what's going on.
Well in SC where my oldman lives, its country, farm land, tomatoes, corn, cotton, strawberries, peanuts, tobacco. As much as it is illegal to employ illegal immigrants, how many of us would do the jobs they do. Mainly manual labor, tobacco, picking, tomatoes paid by the bushel, and so on and on..

I have seen and heard lots of people complain about that the immigrants are taking jobs from hard working people. Yet I can bet a paycheck that 9/10 would not go pick tomatoes or peanuts for money. I can tell you this I have done the majority of the jobs I mentioned growing up because I am from a small farming town and as a teenager you take a job that will take u and make what you can. But its back breaking work and noone wants to work like that for such little money.

But I wouldn't doubt that is if all the illegals from the southern states were deported our cash crops would suffer and the economy would go further in the drain from huge farmers going bankrupt because noone will pick their tobacco.

As much as we don't want them here, our economy does depend on them being here.
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I - and everyone I've talked to - would gladly pay an extra dollar for a head of lettuce or a bag of grapes if it meant securing our borders and putting people to work. Citizens may not want to pick lettuce for $6 an hour but they probably would for $12.

The money we'd save in taxes used to support the illiegals would make up the difference to the individual.
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I - and everyone I've talked to - would gladly pay an extra dollar for a head of lettuce or a bag of grapes if it meant securing our borders and putting people to work. Citizens may not want to pick lettuce for $6 an hour but they probably would for $12.

The money we'd save in taxes used to support the illiegals would make up the difference to the individual.
I wish it was that simple, really it would be great.

But then the farmers in that type of industry pays by the head or bushel not hourly wages depending on what type of farming is being done, I am just basing this around what I know of the farms where I am from. And if so it wouldn't be no where near 12 bucks an hour.

So lets go with your thought Kevin.

Why would someone not pick lettuce for 6 bucks and hour if they are jobless?Yet an immigrant will?
Why does it have to be 12 dollars an hour for a Citizen (as you say) to do a job that you get paid for, if you don't have one to begin with.

As I could interpret the way you said they wouldn't for 6 but maybe for 12 means they think they should get paid more for hte same job an immigrant will do for half that because they are immigrants or do citizens think they are entitled to more money cause they are US citizens?

The thing is that very few will do that type of work for the money that farmers pay for it to be done.

I feel for the people in that article having to live with that everyday.
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1. Secure the borders

2. Enforce the existing laws

3. Create a worker visa program and tax their earnings

4. Prosecute companies that hire illegals w/o proper worker visa

5. Legalize marajuana and tax it
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2. Enforce the existing laws

3. Create a worker visa program and tax their earnings

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