I Hate Illinois Nazis: Raw Video of "Checkpoint"

[wicked_c6]

Originally Posted by Drew M

Know what is an inconvenience? Attending the funeral of one of your loved ones who was killed by a drunk driver.

So is attending one killed by a murderer. Shall we just setup checkpoints every 5 miles and randomly fingerprint/DNA test everyone? I mean why not? If it catches just one of them...

I don't feel like giving up my personal freedom just because of what you state. By all means, if I'm weaving or otherwise demonstrating I'm incapable of driving because I'm under the influence - you have all rights to throw the book at me. You do not have the right to detain me to see if I might be doing something illegal.

Jesus...what country am I living in? It's the little erosions of freedoms that lead down the wrong path.

[ApexOversteer]

Originally Posted by LATB

The driver had an attitude before the LEO showed up. The checkpoint is not the place to debate constitutional rights.
Driver is a punk. Officer amped up because of it.

Yeah. Whatever you do, don't try to hold on to your rights in a spot they're actually buttf*cking those rights with a plunger handle.

[MrPeabody]

That video should be titled "Guess which cop is on steroids."

[VatorMan]

I'm pretty sure the British thought Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and George Washington were douchebags as well. Standing up for your rights is a RIGHT. Challenging the police and .GOV about freedom issues is a RIGHT.
The more interaction I have with federal, state, and local police, the more scared I become. ALWAYS have a camera on while dealing with the police. ALWAYS.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by ApexOversteer

Yeah. Whatever you do, don't try to hold on to your rights in a spot they're actually buttf*cking those rights with a plunger handle.

I believe all Americans should fight to hold on to our rights granted us under the constitution.
However, there is a proper time and place to do so. Arguing with the officer at a checkpoint is neither.

And, we are losing more freedom to political correctness and regulation by unelected bureaucrats than any LEO at a checkpoint.

[ApexOversteer]

Originally Posted by LATB

I believe all Americans should fight to hold on to our rights granted us under the constitution.
However, there is a proper time and place to do so. Arguing with the officer at a checkpoint is neither.

Actually, that is precisely the time you need to defend your rights the most, when they're directly under oppression. Your theory of 'let it slide tonight, talk about it tomorrow' is exactly why this country is the way it is these days. Too much letting shit slide has us buried under shit.

[Bill]

[LATB]

Originally Posted by ApexOversteer

Actually, that is precisely the time you need to defend your rights the most, when they're directly under oppression. Your theory of 'let it slide tonight, talk about it tomorrow' is exactly why this country is the way it is these days. Too much letting shit slide has us buried under shit.

Incorrect.
I'm sure the drivers position will make it from the officer to his representative in the local legislature.

[ApexOversteer]

Originally Posted by LATB

Incorrect.
I'm sure the drivers position will make it from the officer to his representative in the local legislature.

What is the legislature going to do? These things are already illegal under the fourth amendment, how much more illegal can they legislate it to be? Are they going to legislate harder about it?

The cops can do these things because people don't know their rights. When the police won't protect your rights it is up to you to do it for yourself. The public needs to be educated and that is exactly why the driver filmed the stop.

[justind]

Being a cop is not a license to do whatever the hell you please. If someone had an overly aggressive hostile outburst like that against a cop you would be in jail before you could blink.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by ApexOversteer

These things are already illegal under the fourth amendment...

Then challenge it in court.
The driver challenging the officer changes nothing.

[ApexOversteer]

Originally Posted by LATB

Then challenge it in court.
The driver challenging the officer changes nothing.

Standing up for one's rights is not a challenge of law enforcement. That you and the cop see it that way, says a lot about you and the cop.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by ApexOversteer

Standing up for one's rights is not a challenge of law enforcement. That you and the cop see it that way, says a lot about you and the cop.

You are missing my point.
You have the opinion that the checkpoint is unconstitutional. And you may be correct.
My point is: there's no changing it at the checkpoint. The LEO is only going his job. He doesn't make the rules. He enforces them.

And being a punk about it and disrespecting authority accomplishes nothing.

You can organize and get the message out. And possibly make change happen.
Slow. Quiet. Methodical. Legal. Respectful. Is the avenue.
Being a punk and playing "gotcha" serves no one and helps no cause.

[ApexOversteer]

Originally Posted by LATB

You are missing my point.
You have the opinion that the checkpoint is unconstitutional. And you may be correct.
My point is: there's no changing it at the checkpoint. The LEO is only going his job. He doesn't make the rules. He enforces them.

And being a punk about it and disrespecting authority accomplishes nothing.

You can organize and get the message out. And possibly make change happen.
Slow. Quiet. Methodical. Legal. Respectful. Is the avenue.
Being a punk and playing "gotcha" serves no one and helps no cause.

And you're missing mine. He was not disrespecting anyone or anything and the officer wasn't enforcing anything. That you believe that the driver evoking his rights was disrespectful toward the officer is ridiculous to me.

Obviously you have your rights and you lay them aside as much as you wish. I'll hold on to mine, thanks.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by ApexOversteer

And you're missing mine. He was not disrespecting anyone or anything and the officer wasn't enforcing anything. That you believe that the driver evoking his rights was disrespectful toward the officer is ridiculous to me.

Obviously you have your rights and you lay them aside as much as you wish. I'll hold on to mine, thanks.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

I think the driver is a punk.

[wicked_c6]

Originally Posted by ApexOversteer

And you're missing mine. He was not disrespecting anyone or anything and the officer wasn't enforcing anything. That you believe that the driver evoking his rights was disrespectful toward the officer is ridiculous to me.

Obviously you have your rights and you lay them aside as much as you wish. I'll hold on to mine, thanks.

When the time comes (and it will soon) that ordinary citizens have no rights or recourse against the wishes of LEO's...he'll understand why the driver did what he did. Byt then it will be too late to petition the courts.

I'm curious how LATB would feel if he was experiencing what the people in Canadensis, PA are. Their entire lives are being disrupted. I'm guessing if he had a dog, loved ones, work that he was being prevented from doing/getting to...the story would change.

The massive search for 31-year-old Eric Frein, who is charged with killing one trooper and wounding another, has resulted in frequent unannounced and indefinite roadblocks in the village of Canadensis. Some people have ended up sleeping in their cars because their neighborhoods were cordoned off.

In a statement Tuesday night, police said they have been "diligent in respecting the rights of the public while working hard to keep both residents and law enforcement personnel safe."

Last week, troopers issued a "shelter-in-place" order that kept some residents from leaving their houses for more than a day; those who weren't already at home could not go back. Residents contend the directive left elderly relatives unattended and pets unfed, and resulted in lost wages for workers who couldn't leave their houses. The American Red Cross opened a shelter for displaced residents from two townships late Monday.

Sweeping dragnets and detention of entire neighborhoods is exactly what the framers of this country had in mind. Do we cordon off entire neighborhoods in urban areas when ordinary citizens are shot/killed? Why not? Clearly the residents in that area DID NOT KNOW THEIR RIGHTS...because if they did they could have gone back. The police cannot do what they did legally.

If you cannot see the wrongs being done across this country by law enforcement...then there is no hope. It is shown time after time after time.

[LATB]

Please tell us what the driver in the OP video accomplished? Other than having us post opinion of it on an Internet forum. Which accomplishes nothing. IMO.

[wicked_c6]

Originally Posted by LATB

Please tell us what the driver in the OP video accomplished? Other than having us post opinion of it on an Internet forum. Which accomplishes nothing. IMO.

I stated that already. He exercised his rights. This accomplished a few things. 1st, the officer now knows he can't run roughshod over all the citizens and maybe, just maybe...he'll be a little more professional and respectful in his future dealings. You never know who's recording you. 2nd, with the video going viral it calls attention to the larger issue of police abuse of power. I don't know about others...but I have a Gopro in my car and if I'm ever stopped, I will do the same thing he did. This video might finally wake people up about how militaristic and controlling LEO's have become. Maybe then people will start voting to scale back funding for all these bullshit shadow cop cars, swat vehicles, etc. 3rd, hopefully a local news agency which will investigate and hopefully the douchebag cop with an inferiority complex gets reassigned to a lovely desk job or better yet fired.

Most importantly everyone who sees that video will know it IS ok to stand up to LEO's and exercise their rights. Maybe it will catch on.

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by ApexOversteer

that the driver evoking his rights was disrespectful toward the officer is ridiculous to me.

to me as well.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by wicked_c6

I stated that already. He exercised his rights. This accomplished a few things. 1st, the officer now knows he can't run roughshod over all the citizens and maybe, just maybe...he'll be a little more professional and respectful in his future dealings. You never know who's recording you. 2nd, with the video going viral it calls attention to the larger issue of police abuse of power. I don't know about others...but I have a Gopro in my car and if I'm ever stopped, I will do the same thing he did. This video might finally wake people up about how militaristic and controlling LEO's have become. Maybe then people will start voting to scale back funding for all these bullshit shadow cop cars, swat vehicles, etc. 3rd, hopefully a local news agency which will investigate and hopefully the douchebag cop with an inferiority complex gets reassigned to a lovely desk job or better yet fired.

Most importantly everyone who sees that video will know it IS ok to stand up to LEO's and exercise their rights. Maybe it will catch on.

Ok
Thanks