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05-04-2018, 3:49pm | #21 | |||||||
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The BSA also has a long history of being predominantly like me, white and middle class. Part of the shift towards a more family based activity is a reach out to families that operate differently. When your business is people, it helps to have people thinking outside the box. |
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Is changing that entry to include girls the only way to make things fair? |
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I'd say it's about supplying a demand. Girl Scouts provide programming to 1.8 million girls. BSA thinks their program will appeal to families and build leadership. Girl Scouts are welcome to do the same if they like. It's their choice. |
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If it works that way, great. I still say it's going to kill the institution. And there was no need to. The Girl Scouts could have made a better, bolder program than the BSA's Eagle Scout program, one that's worth even more and is harder to achieve. But they didn't. My bet is that the Boy Scout's enrollment numbers will plummet to a fraction of what is current, by Feb 2019. I guess time will tell. |
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I'll admit I'm biased. I have a lot invested in the program (time, financials, commitments) because it gave me a lot as a young man. I'm excited to see more community service projects, more support of national forests and national parks. I'm currently helping plan a big national service project for the National Mall in 2023. We're hoping to get 5000+ people to help. I don't think we'll struggle getting those numbers. There are some cool opportunities here, and I think it'll be great to have young men working next to young women making it happen. |
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Looks like the Girl Scouts aren't too happy about having some of their membership poached:
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i'll buy Girl Scout cookies , but i'm not buying "scout" cookies
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BSA had their national headquarters just off Wisc ave, north Bethesda Md... stone building, small by modern standards....maybe 2 dozen offices in it....
I did some work in the building, near 40 years ago, kitchens as I recall.....and I always had a weird feeling about the place, something just struck me as being a tad off key.... never did put a finger on just what.....and now this..... |
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Ted, folks are upset at the cumulative results of which the BSA is just another of the progressive touchy, feely silliness. The progressive loons are destroying the rules that got the US to be the big dog in a room full of pups. Just my .02.
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Baby Bear was a Scout Camp Counselor for two summers. We had this conversation at school today. It's kind of interesting- liberal female teachers can't understand why girls would want to participate in the Boy Scouts... or what the whole draw was. So basically, on both sides... liberal females can't understand why girls wanted to participate in Boy Scouts... conservative males can't understand why Boy Scouts would let them. |
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To add to my post 7 my boys both did Jamborees, Maine Hi Adventure and Sea base & a trip to England for two weeks staying with the British Scouts families. We also reciprocated and hosted the British boy scouts for 2 weeks here! |
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it just doesn't stop/ We're fecked.....
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IF the "Scouts" survive and recruit girls, then the Girl Scouts may not survive.
Then in a couple of decades, people will rediscover that boys and girls are different, and the "Scouts" may split into the "Boy Scouts" and "Girl Scouts". |
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My take is that out side of the military, it's hard to find an organization that is as dedicated to building leaders. It's built into the rank advancement, it's built into the training, it's a focus of the entire program. Leadership is built into the DNA. There's a reason why Eagle Scouts get a promotion in the military. The other co-ed programs (Venturing, Exploring) offer leadership components, but it's not built into the program that the rank and file participate in. If Girl Scouts have that, it's not well promoted or advertised (at least until recently). Why wouldn't we want to develop more leadership capabilities in our people of tomorrow? Good leaders know when to lead, and when to follow. They get things done. From my view point, we need more good leaders, not fewer. YMMV. |
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Maybe, but it hasn't happened yet in any of the other 157 countries that have integrated scouting programs.
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Go ahead, lets see 9 months after your first combined jamboree. |
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