Ford, GM consider axing large sedans

[snide]

Originally Posted by C5SilverBullet

That's where we went too. 50% off? Shiiiiiit.

That is the nice thing about living down here, warm weather stuff goes on sale right about the time of year it cools off enough to start going back outside.

Yeah, we were surprised the stuff was on sale already. 7 piece set, regular $700 for $400? Cushions for the 6 chairs included? Last one? Sold!

Couldn't have done that with a sedan, or even my Jeep for that matter.

[C5SilverBullet]

Originally Posted by snide

Yeah, we were surprised the stuff was on sale already. 7 piece set, regular $700 for $400? Cushions for the 6 chairs included? Last one? Sold!

Couldn't have done that with a sedan, or even my Jeep for that matter.

We got a couch, rocking chair, all the cushions, and an umbrella with LED lights for $550.

[MrPeabody]

Originally Posted by C5SilverBullet

We got a couch, rocking chair, all the cushions, and an umbrella with LED lights for $550.

They start unloading patio stuff here on July 4th weekend.

[snide]

Originally Posted by C5SilverBullet

We got a couch, rocking chair, all the cushions, and an umbrella with LED lights for $550.

Nice. We picked up an umbrella with LED lights for dirt cheap too.

[MrPeabody]

Originally Posted by Kerrmudgeon

I used to have a sign on the dash of my truck...

"You could have bought a truck, don't ask to borrow mine, or help you move shit."

I recently saw a bumper sticker on a truck that said

Yes, this is my truck. No, I will not help you move.

[carlton_fritz]

Having a sedan keeps me from buying things I really do not need. On the other hand, a beater truck would come in handy at times.

[JRD77VET]

Originally Posted by mrvette

A stone mystery to me is just WTFOCK to people SEE in a stupid SUV and PICKUPS???? they are stone SILLY USELESS VEHICLES!!!!!

Pickups are good for masonry contractors, maybe lawn/landscaping work....that's IT!!!! 95% of the pickups here in silly redneck Jax Fl. area are empty and new looking....some work truck.....eh??

as for the SUV crap, who needs it?? want a kid hauler....a 4 door sedan is fine....want to haul the scout troop?? get a 6 door 3/4 ton van like I had, with two removable bench seats, and be able to haul 4'x8' plywood/sheetrock layed flat on the floor between the wheel wells.....

need to haul some lumber in your sedan, get one with fold down rear seats.....so it sticks out a couple feet, cope with it.....

How many pickups have a 8' bed...NOT MANY!!!!

Now the size of a typical grocery getter car.....up to the buyer, obviously....

Really? My 2500 Suburban pulls my 24' pontoon boat quite well, will handle a 7K trailer with capacity to spare and if i put the rear seat back in, will fit 8 people.

Towing capacity with the 6.0L in my Suburban is only 10K. If I had the big block , it's rated for 12K.

My "they are stone SILLY USELESS VEHICLES!!!!! " has great visibility due to having windows that you can see out of.

I can put 4' x 8' sheets of plywood or drywall in the Suburban and close the rear hatch. ( rear seat out and second row folded down )

Plus having a 150 lb dog, he enjoys the room and being able to see out.

Sorry Gene but this time you are RONG!!!!

[Truck Guy]

Originally Posted by mrvette

That's ok, only done 100'a of kitchen jobs...

That's OK, we just spec'd out and sold 7,000 trucks last year for commercial use.
Not sure if we know what we're doing, but...

Originally Posted by mrvette

I pulled a ~26' camping trailer with a 4 dr. sedan....a late 60's 440 Chrysler 4 dr sedan ~60 mph wife/kids in the car, no sweat.....we did leave the trailer at the camp ground though....the 30' we upgraded to was moved to site by the grounds owner/operator....

Well, back in the cave man days when full size cars were the size of trucks and had massive engines, you could do that.
Try pulling that 26' camper today with ANY full size car built in 2017.
If you hadn't noticed, in the 21st century, things have changed...

Originally Posted by mrvette

and 50 bags of mulch is lawn/landscaping work, ok for a pickup, if you enjoy climbing 3' in the air to unload it.....VANS have a deck about 2' off the ground...and easy to jump up into.....try that with your pickups, even without a topper on it......

2017 Ford Transit van (which is lower than the old full frame Econoline) 29" to the ground.
2017 Ford F150 4x2 Supercrew is 34" to the ground.

So if 5" is going to break your back...

[erickpl]

Originally Posted by mrvette

OR a large van.......

Just because your van says "FREE CANDY AND ICE CREAM" on the side it isn't any more special than our pickups.

[Truck Guy]

Originally Posted by erickpl

Just because your van says "FREE CANDY AND ICE CREAM" on the side it isn't any more special than our pickups.

I can see that...

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by JRD77VET

Really? My 2500 Suburban pulls my 24' pontoon boat quite well, will handle a 7K trailer with capacity to spare and if i put the rear seat back in, will fit 8 people.

Towing capacity with the 6.0L in my Suburban is only 10K. If I had the big block , it's rated for 12K.

My "they are stone SILLY USELESS VEHICLES!!!!! " has great visibility due to having windows that you can see out of.

I can put 4' x 8' sheets of plywood or drywall in the Suburban and close the rear hatch. ( rear seat out and second row folded down )

Plus having a 150 lb dog, he enjoys the room and being able to see out.

Sorry Gene but this time you are RONG!!!!

OH, maybe I should have said WINDOW van with 6 doors, your suburban is nothing but a slightly restyled window van, after all is said and done..the nose is longer....

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by Truck Guy

That's OK, we just spec'd out and sold 7,000 trucks last year for commercial use.
Not sure if we know what we're doing, but...


Well, back in the cave man days when full size cars were the size of trucks and had massive engines, you could do that.
Try pulling that 26' camper today with ANY full size car built in 2017.
If you hadn't noticed, in the 21st century, things have changed...

2017 Ford Transit van (which is lower than the old full frame Econoline) 29" to the ground.
2017 Ford F150 4x2 Supercrew is 34" to the ground.

So if 5" is going to break your back...

the full size window van is much more versatile, by a wide margin...pay attention to the basic type of vehicles the commercial companies use...from HVAC work to telephones, to TV work (not that anyone does THAT anymore) to ease of getting in/out of an actual work bed that is ~12" or so lower to the ground with yout 500 lbs tool box, and buckets full of parts/gear, your silly pickups basically have one spot to get in/out, the side doors make all the difference get to the parts on the left/driver side on shelves/bins and buckets on the floor......ease of access on the side with a step up, but on your pickups, you have that stupid tail gate down ~3' off the ground, then to crawl forward to get anything......

as for ME....BTDT in everything from TV work, through home improvement contractor hauling baths/kitchens/counter tops, tile, concrete, plumbing, and every tool in the book, except a phillips screwdriver......

(to quote an old POGO cartoon on that last quip).....

[Millenium Vette]

Originally Posted by erickpl

Just because your van says "FREE CANDY AND ICE CREAM" on the side it isn't any more special than our pickups.

Could be...

Originally Posted by Truck Guy

I can see that...

Though I'm kinda thinkin' this

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by erickpl

Just because your van says "FREE CANDY AND ICE CREAM" on the side it isn't any more special than our pickups.

I used to be shop manager and head tech for a company out in the burbs of DC, the home office was burnt out in the '68 riots....so they shut the doors, no rebuilding.....and so one of the things that ensued after the riots, was the hugely increased crime rates....noticing a commercial vehicle all painted up on the street, and they break in to steal all the parts and tools possible.....after losing 4-5 grand of shit a few times, plus van repairs, it was hard to justify working in some areas of town, so we red lined them.....

10-15 years later, my work van was broken into and they stole every damn tool in the van, except my hand tool box, that I still have BTW, come think of it.... I kept NOTHING on the side of my van, and of course the state of Faryland came up with the home improvement commission edict that all the truck had to have company ID and phone numbers on the side, with the MHIC license number.....WELL that ID was on the van maybe 3 months or so, and some crooks followed me to the HD type store, to discuss an install and pick up some goods to install....

SO, reproved the point, advertise all the crap free for the taking....AND allow the roving housing inspectors spot a truck in some burb, and walk into the joint demanding to see job tickets, and of course TAXES AND FINES for not having all the shit right......

[Truck Guy]

Originally Posted by mrvette

OH, maybe I should have said WINDOW van with 6 doors, your suburban is nothing but a slightly restyled window van, after all is said and done..the nose is longer....

Wrong again, the full size Suburban and Tahoe are built on full frame pickup chassis'

Full size SUV's are basically pickups with finished back ends.

Your obsession with cargo vans is really unhealthy...

[Truck Guy]

Originally Posted by mrvette

the full size window van is much more versatile, by a wide margin...pay attention to the basic type of vehicles the commercial companies use...from HVAC work to telephones, to TV work...

This is where you are correct!

For most commercial applications, we sell cargo vans in many shapes and sizes.
Up-fitted with racks, bins, shelves, tool boxes, compressors, ladder racks, etc.

But for my personal use, I'll take a pickup any day of the week over driving a big metal box around...

...and vans are NOT 12" or more lower than pickups

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by Truck Guy

Wrong again, the full size Suburban and Tahoe are built on full frame pickup chassis'

Full size SUV's are basically pickups with finished back ends.

Your obsession with cargo vans is really unhealthy...

AND just as in accessible too....and my cargo window vans have put dinner on table for many a year now....

[snide]

Originally Posted by mrvette

AND just as in accessible too....and my cargo window vans have put dinner on table for many a year now....

[The_Dude]

I thought they already did ax the rwd big sedans.

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by The_Dude

I thought they already did ax the rwd big sedans.

Depends on your definition of 'big'......I had a Pontiac Grandville convertible long ago, a '73 all 5000 lbs of it, filled with helium.......