This Just In: Trump to Ban Transgender from the Military

[Mike Mercury]

As far as transgender serving, I think they should be able to serve in specific job classifications. Nothing that puts them in a position to deploy.

and it's OK to pay them a little less as well ?

[NEED-A-VETTE]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

and it's OK to pay them a little less as well ?

Why would they get paid less? They get paid whatever their rank and job classification requires...just like everyone else at that rank and job classification.

If you're talking about not having the ability to earn combat pay, for example, that's just how it goes if you don't deploy.

[04 commemorative]

Originally Posted by NEED-A-VETTE

I disagree. My daughter is a lesbian. She joined when don't ask don't tell was still in effect. Many that are currently serving did the same. They joined in spite of their sexuality because their country came first.

As far as transgender serving, I think they should be able to serve in specific job classifications. Nothing that puts them in a position to deploy. I think that Tricare should not cover reassignment surgery or hormone therapy. Done.

If they still want to join under those circumstances, welcome to the military.

Well we agree to disagree then.....hey that's what makes our country great no matter what right ?

[OddBall]

Originally Posted by NEED-A-VETTE

I disagree. My daughter is a lesbian. She joined when don't ask don't tell was still in effect. Many that are currently serving did the same. They joined in spite of their sexuality because their country came first.

As far as transgender serving, I think they should be able to serve in specific job classifications. Nothing that puts them in a position to deploy. I think that Tricare should not cover reassignment surgery or hormone therapy. Done.

If they still want to join under those circumstances, welcome to the military.

Why not?
And aren't gay's and lesbians deployed? (I'm asking, I don't know)

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by NEED-A-VETTE

I disagree. My daughter is a lesbian. She joined when don't ask don't tell was still in effect. Many that are currently serving did the same. They joined in spite of their sexuality because their country came first.

As far as transgender serving, I think they should be able to serve in specific job classifications. Nothing that puts them in a position to deploy. I think that Tricare should not cover reassignment surgery or hormone therapy. Done.

If they still want to join under those circumstances, welcome to the military.

But being able to deploy is pretty much the defining attribute the military wants in their recruits. It's the main consideration. If they are to be in only positions that are essentially desk jobs, there is usajobs.gov for that.

[NEED-A-VETTE]

Originally Posted by OddBall

Why not?
And aren't gay's and lesbians deployed? (I'm asking, I don't know)

Yes. Gays and lesbians are allowed to deploy. My daughter deployed to Afghanistan.

Transgender is a different set of circumstances. If they (transgender) decide to pay for therapy or surgery on their own... Someone going thru hormone therapy would not be ok to deploy. That's not something that is readily availalble in the field. Someone that is recovering from reassignment surgery would not be ok to deploy, as there are certain things that have to be done post-op, which are not appropriate when in the field.

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

But being able to deploy is pretty much the defining attribute the military wants in their recruits. It's the main consideration. If they are to be in only positions that are essentially desk jobs, there is usajobs.gov for that.

Too bad. If they want to be in the military...here are the jobs that are availalble to transgender. Someone has to fill the desk jobs in the military. If they're willing to fill those jobs, why not let them? All the better. Then the people that don't WANT those desk jobs (because they'd like to deploy) don't have to fill those jobs.

Just like score parameters on the ASVAB...certain jobs are available to certain people. Being transgender is just another qualifier or disqualifier for certain jobs. They can take it or leave it.

[Broken Wind]

In my Marine Corps, if you can't deploy, you can't continue to serve. No reason to have you around. See ya!

[OddBall]

Originally Posted by NEED-A-VETTE

Yes. Gays and lesbians are allowed to deploy. My daughter deployed to Afghanistan.

Transgender is a different set of circumstances. If they (transgender) decide to pay for therapy or surgery on their own... Someone going thru hormone therapy would not be ok to deploy. That's not something that is readily availalble in the field. Someone that is recovering from reassignment surgery would not be ok to deploy, as there are certain things that have to be done post-op, which are not appropriate when in the field.



Too bad. If they want to be in the military...here are the jobs that are availalble to transgender. Someone has to fill the desk jobs in the military. If they're willing to fill those jobs, why not let them? All the better. Then the people that don't WANT those desk jobs (because they'd like to deploy) don't have to fill those jobs.

Just like score parameters on the ASVAB...certain jobs are available to certain people. Being transgender is just another qualifier or disqualifier for certain jobs. They can take it or leave it.

Originally Posted by Broken Wind

In my Marine Corps, if you can't deploy, you can't continue to serve. No reason to have you around. See ya!

This is what it boils down to. And even a pre-op transgender is a liability in this respect, and in more ways than one.

Gay and lesbians are arguably fit for service. But with a transgender there is always a risk of the transgender going through with the surgery and incapacitating him/her/itself of being fit for deployment. Whether they footed the bill or not, they made a choice to do that. The military puts itself at a disadvantage if it allows that, and the purpose of the military is to always have the advantage. Also, transgenders have a really high suicide and basket-case rate, which is also a disadvantage for the military. It would seem to me that the transgenders meet the criteria for a 4-F rating.

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by NEED-A-VETTE

I disagree. My daughter is a lesbian. She joined when don't ask don't tell was still in effect. Many that are currently serving did the same. They joined in spite of their sexuality because their country came first.

As far as transgender serving, I think they should be able to serve in specific job classifications. Nothing that puts them in a position to deploy. I think that Tricare should not cover reassignment surgery or hormone therapy. Done.

If they still want to join under those circumstances, welcome to the military.

Those that don't deploy are looked down upon. Now there are good reasons not to deploy and that's fine. Eventually your time in the shit is gonna come around. The person with some predetermined shred out to not deploy isn't pulling their part of the load and that's bullshit. Further, making a person able to serve but not deploy is starting down the slippery slope of finding reasons for others not to deploy. It's the military, you fit the mold or you don't. Every day folks are disqualified from serving for a variety of reasons. Lastly, I had a code assigned and I lived up to it, "World Wide Qualified".

[NEED-A-VETTE]

Originally Posted by boracayjohnny

Those that don't deploy are looked down upon. Now there are good reasons not to deploy and that's fine. Eventually your time in the shit is gonna come around. The person with some predetermined shred out to not deploy isn't pulling their part of the load and that's bullshit. Further, making a person able to serve but not deploy is starting down the slippery slope of finding reasons for others not to deploy. It's the military, you fit the mold or you don't. Every day folks are disqualified from serving for a variety of reasons. Lastly, I had a code assigned and I lived up to it, "World Wide Qualified".

Fair enough.