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Old 12-19-2019, 12:21pm   #1
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I've never been a "gun person", but as I get older I worry more about break-ins, home invasions, etc., so I've been thinking that a gun of some sort in the house might give us some peace of mind. We live in an apparently safe area, but it's still something I think about.

My inclination is to go to a local gun range, where they give lessons, sell guns, & offer range time, & follow their recommendations regarding a home defense weapon purchase & training. My concern is that they may try to sell me something bigger, more powerful, & more $$ than I really need; I would have no way of knowing if this were the case.

The place I'm considering is RTSP in Randolph, NJ. They also have a location in Union, NJ.

In the admittedly unlikely event that anyone has experience with RTSP specifically, or any other thoughts on the matter, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

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I'm considering this for myself soon too.
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A good friend is a former LEO and consults large venues about security. He highly recommends a 12 gauge shotgun for home defense.

I may have alternative items as well.
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I've never been a "gun person", but as I get older I worry more about break-ins, home invasions, etc., so I've been thinking that a gun of some sort in the house might give us some peace of mind. We live in an apparently safe area, but it's still something I think about.

My inclination is to go to a local gun range, where they give lessons, sell guns, & offer range time, & follow their recommendations regarding a home defense weapon purchase & training. My concern is that they may try to sell me something bigger, more powerful, & more $$ than I really need; I would have no way of knowing if this were the case.

The place I'm considering is RTSP in Randolph, NJ. They also have a location in Union, NJ.

In the admittedly unlikely event that anyone has experience with RTSP specifically, or any other thoughts on the matter, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

Thanks!
As a former NRA range officer & instructor I would say your on the right track looking to get instructions.

NJ has some realy stupid/severe gun laws so knowing what the local view on
guns is very important.

You have to consider where your going to be armed, your house or perhaps out of the house. Out of the house in NJ from what I see can be quite difficult. As far as inside the house it sounds like a 20 gauge short shot gun with full butt stock might be in order as from what I see its quite a urban area and as a shooter your legally responsible for everything you fire.

Its to early to realy give "BUY This Advice'' but if thinking of a handgun for a house gun your better learning on a 22 and then progressing to a larger caliber. Twenty two ammo is much cheaper and with a hand gun you will have to fire a lot to be proficient.

Go to a range ask questions shoot different guns and do not let anyone talk you into something that is not right for you! As far as asking cops I have found out many/most cops the gun is just part of the uniform and they do not know that much about guns!

Good luck
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I agree with above. You are on the right track in wanting range time and training to go with firearm ownership. Most legit gun stores will not try and upsale you. Most of them, if they are good, will actually try to downsale you.
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If you were in a state with normal sane gun laws I'd have several recommendations for you but yeah, NJ. Probably should just go with a shotgun. Super easy to shoot, you can get shells that won't penetrate more than a single wall (if even that) but will definitely ruin a bad guy's day. The downside is that you will be limited in how many rounds the shotgun can hold. But that's not much of a downside because if you can't do the job with five shots or so, it's probably over anyway. One way or the other.

The good news is shotguns are pretty cheap compared to other options.
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I agree with above. You are on the right track in wanting range time and training to go with firearm ownership. Most legit gun stores will not try and upsale you. Most of them, if they are good, will actually try to downsale you.
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I could have written that original post myself...well except for the Jersey part.

The more I see liberals getting out of hand, and police being run off the force, the more I realize I'll need my own crime prevention and method of sentencing the guilty.
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Shotgun a very good option, cheap and easy to use. It has the upside of not killing the neighbors also.
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Shotgun a very good option, cheap and easy to use. It has the upside of not killing the neighbors also.
UNLESS the neighbor HOOD invades your house.....

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I've never been a "gun person", but as I get older I worry more about break-ins, home invasions, etc., so I've been thinking that a gun of some sort in the house might give us some peace of mind. We live in an apparently safe area, but it's still something I think about.

My inclination is to go to a local gun range, where they give lessons, sell guns, & offer range time, & follow their recommendations regarding a home defense weapon purchase & training. My concern is that they may try to sell me something bigger, more powerful, & more $$ than I really need; I would have no way of knowing if this were the case.

The place I'm considering is RTSP in Randolph, NJ. They also have a location in Union, NJ.

In the admittedly unlikely event that anyone has experience with RTSP specifically, or any other thoughts on the matter, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

Thanks!
I was pretty into target shooting with .22 caliber rifles when I was a younger man. I promised the wife that I wouldn't keep a firearm in the house when the kids were here, so I have not actually shot a gun in nearly 30 years. The youngest child moved out in July, so I have been thinking of getting back into it. The RTSP is Union is more or less across the street from the liquor store I go to regularly.

The thing about RTSP is that you can go and rent pretty much any gun they have, and fire it, but they will not rent to a single person unless you already have your FID card, you must have a buddy to rent and shoot if you don't have an FID card (I currently do not). Let me know if you want to buddy up and make a visit to Union RTSP.
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I would probably have a shotgun for home, but the wife doesn't like the idea of it being easily accessible...so I have a pistol safe next to the bed.
Little easier to hide.
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If you were in a state with normal sane gun laws I'd have several recommendations for you but yeah, NJ. Probably should just go with a shotgun. Super easy to shoot, you can get shells that won't penetrate more than a single wall (if even that) but will definitely ruin a bad guy's day. The downside is that you will be limited in how many rounds the shotgun can hold. But that's not much of a downside because if you can't do the job with five shots or so, it's probably over anyway. One way or the other.

The good news is shotguns are pretty cheap compared to other options.
A Kel-Tec shotgun will hold 15 rounds of 2 3/4" 12 gauge rounds. I loved mine until an unfortunate boating accident on the Potomac River this summer cost me mine.
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A Kel-Tec shotgun will hold 15 rounds of 2 3/4" 12 gauge rounds. I loved mine until an unfortunate boating accident on the Potomac River this summer cost me mine.
Well yeah but we are talking New Jersey, are those sorts of shotguns even legal there? And I think that's the first time I've seen optics of any kind on a shotgun.
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If you were in a state with normal sane gun laws I'd have several recommendations for you but yeah, NJ. Probably should just go with a shotgun. Super easy to shoot, you can get shells that won't penetrate more than a single wall (if even that) but will definitely ruin a bad guy's day. The downside is that you will be limited in how many rounds the shotgun can hold. But that's not much of a downside because if you can't do the job with five shots or so, it's probably over anyway. One way or the other.

The good news is shotguns are pretty cheap compared to other options.
I'm thinking OP can't go wrong with a street sweeper

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guns?! um, yeah, i might know a thing or two about those things.

good advice above considering your specifics.
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A Kel-Tec shotgun will hold 15 rounds of 2 3/4" 12 gauge rounds. I loved mine until an unfortunate boating accident on the Potomac River this summer cost me mine.
I have 2 Mossies 12G pumps at my house a 9 shot tube magazine feed 18'' barrel and a ten shot with a detachable box mag (10 is NY Law) Both of them have full butt stocks. Both are loaded to fire first 5 00 buck and the rest slugs. More ammo is close by + a couple handguns!

As we live rural have no neighbors, no cell service, no kids just wife and I and the potential of LEOs if we could make call of about 25 minuets wait. Bears are also a consideration so that is why my guns are loaded that way.
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Well yeah but we are talking New Jersey, are those sorts of shotguns even legal there? And I think that's the first time I've seen optics of any kind on a shotgun.
Probably not.

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I'm considering this for myself soon too.
Ask some of your car buddies if they have any ideas. Anyone would be happy to take you to the range and do some basic shooting.

I'd suggest you go take a state approved class and then you can apply for your CCP if you feel like it.
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