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[NB2K]

Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

you may be incorrect on a few points.

the pole (actually called a column) is there to support a beam that the floor joists sit on.

it appears to be part of the original design, not "put there *(sp) b/c of sag of the upper level". and is not uncommon.

it is not a shortcut. it is common engineering when there is living space above a garage. just like above a basement. in older homes, before floor trusses were common...it was the only economical way to met floor lbs per sq ft spans.

you are correct however, that it may be a nuisance to the owner...depending on the location.

and I'm not sure what you mean by: "He is in process of repairing it correctly"...has the OP built a bearing wall to support the beam that supports the floor joist system? I did not see evidence of that?

not trying to start an internet just views from one who has been building longer than the age of half of the members here.

OP and and my friend are different.

If some idiot builder/inspector allowed that pass. (shrug)

My friends house was built about ten years ago, long past the time metal poles should be used to shore up living space. The pole apperas to have been added later, just by the looks of it, after the upper level started to sag.

It's a cheap shortcut, plain and simple and it clearly is in the way of everything.
I am not a builder and I respect your knowledge, but if anyone showed me a modern home with a stupid metal pole in the garage, I would question whether he should be allowed to build a plastic shed, much less a home.

Not a knock on the OP's deal, like my friend, prolly got a smokin' deal, partly b/c of that pole.

[CP]

My house built in 1985 has a metal pole in the garage supporting the rooms above the garage. I hate the placement because it is in the way of the car doors. Since this is somewhat open (mine is all sheetrocked), I would replace that single pole with two poles that do no interfere with the car doors.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by NB2K

OP and and my friend are different.

I can't speat to your friends home.

Originally Posted by NB2K

If some idiot builder/inspector allowed that pass. (shrug)

Why? If it meets the engineering and is code compliant, what is the big deal?

Originally Posted by NB2K

My friends house was built about ten years ago, long past the time metal poles should be used to shore up living space.

It's about economics.

Originally Posted by NB2K

The pole apperas to have been added later, just by the looks of it, after the upper level started to sag.

Incorrect, that steel column is within the slab pour. And was not added later to "shore up after sag"...

as I noted in my previous post...the column is in place to support the beam that the floor joists sit on. With that type of construction, the column...or a load bearing wall would have had to always been in place. In the OP case...I'd bet the column was part of the original build.

Originally Posted by NB2K

It's a cheap shortcut, plain and simple and it clearly is in the way of everything.

It may be in the way, just like columns can be in the way in basements...but it not a short cut. It is a matter of structual engineering economics.

Originally Posted by NB2K

I am not a builder and I respect your knowledge, but if anyone showed me a modern home with a stupid metal pole in the garage, I would question whether he should be allowed to build a plastic shed, much less a home.

You are off base. Most would rather have a few thousand dollars added to cabinets...tops...plumbing or electrical fixtures...mouldings or upgraded floor finishes, than have the money spent on a full span floor system.

People complain about builders pricing as it is. Go and try to quote a new home. I guarantee...any buyer on a limited budget will opt for the upgrades I mentioned in lieu of a full span floor truss system.

Originally Posted by NB2K

Not a knock on the OP's deal, like my friend, prolly got a smokin' deal, partly b/c of that pole.

That pole had nothing to do with the OP's price point...I promise you.

[mrvette]

Guys talk of 'engineered trusses' and such crap, I would never use them in any home I lived in.....here is the reason.....


A good old friend who had a cabinet shop, but shut down and joined the Mongomery Co Md. fire dept.....so in his training, he found out the county tagged certain newer build communities down to specific houses.....

reason why? is they used OSB or engineered truss type construction for beams or joists....and that type construction when on FIRE will virtually explode and cave in with nearly zero burn time.....the men are NOT ALLOWED TO ENTER THE HOUSE unless there is direct evidence of someone in direct peril.....

which means that is a huge reduction in what they talk of as 'burn time'....
kinda like a fire door...or whatever....

I was amazed to here his comments about that, and so all his house and my place were always good solid 2x X solid lumber.....

and you be amazed the shit I seen on job sites years ago....plumber need to make a hole in a OSB engineered joist...no problem, hit it with a hammer blow a hole in it, run the pipe.....cover it up with shitrock and no one knows anything....

I"m happy enough with my simple little slab house....screw all that crap....

stairs are a pain in the knees anyway when older.....

[LATB]

Gene

I'm not a fan of the OSB "I-beam" floor trusses. but properly handled and installed...and keep the subs from destroying them like in your example, they are fine.

For long span floor systems where one does not want supporting beams and the columns that go with it...I like open web floor trusses of #2 pine 2x4 and/or 2x6. they are strong as an ox and do the job well.

of course I also agree w/ ya on the 2x12x16oc floor framing system...it's what I used on the beach house. but then, I had no spans over 12 foot.

but you can't have it both ways. if one wants conventional 2x12 floor framing...on spans over 14-16 foot...there will be a beam, and the column(s) under the beam to support it all.

[Sea Six]

The project is looking very nice!

[NB2K]

Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

I can't speat to your friends home.

Why? If it meets the engineering and is code compliant, what is the big deal?



It's about economics.


Incorrect, that steel column is within the slab pour. And was not added later to "shore up after sag"...

as I noted in my previous post...the column is in place to support the beam that the floor joists sit on. With that type of construction, the column...or a load bearing wall would have had to always been in place. In the OP case...I'd bet the column was part of the original build.



It may be in the way, just like columns can be in the way in basements...but it not a short cut. It is a matter of structual engineering economics.


You are off base. Most would rather have a few thousand dollars added to cabinets...tops...plumbing or electrical fixtures...mouldings or upgraded floor finishes, than have the money spent on a full span floor system.

People complain about builders pricing as it is. Go and try to quote a new home. I guarantee...any buyer on a limited budget will opt for the upgrades I mentioned in lieu of a full span floor truss system.



That pole had nothing to do with the OP's price point...I promise you.

Lars, I am talking about the pole that is in the garage in my friend's house. It was definitely added later. It was a shortcut to fix a crappy design or poor construction.-FACT

I am no builder, but I know crap when I see it.

I agree, in the OP's house, it looks like it was there from the beginning.

Nobody wants a pole in the middle of a friggin' garage. FACT

If a man will take a house with pole in the garage over upgraded countertops, he probably let's his wife run the house so he's a failure anyway.

I am not "off-base" about the price-point either; we used the fact that this house had a stupid friggin' pole as a major negotiating tactic. Hard to say for sure, but the pole being there probably cost the seller 10K.


Again, the OP's house is much older, I assume, so it may not be relevant.
It is also not my intent to knock the OP's house; I'm sure it will turn out great.

[...Whitepower...]

Lars is pretty much right on all accounts. BTW the pole in the garage lines up with the load bearing wall that seperates the livingroom from the kitchen.

Also it seems like those poles are common place here the southeast on homes that are 15+ years old or so.

The last house i did had them too.



As did the one before that.

[...Whitepower...]

Originally Posted by NB2K

If a man will take a house with pole in the garage over upgraded countertops, he probably let's his wife run the house so he's a failure anyway.

I dunno... They're pretty sweet countertops (one of the last houses).




BTW the cabinets are in for the most part. Appliance delivery tuesday. The electrician has to some back too, to move a couple outlets.

[78SA]

Keep coming with the updates.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by NB2K

Lars, I am talking about the pole that is in the garage in my friend's house. It was definitely added later. It was a shortcut to fix a crappy design or poor construction.-FACT

Like I posted, I can't speak to your friends home w/o seeing it.

Originally Posted by NB2K

I am no builder, but I know crap when I see it.

Originally Posted by NB2K

I agree, in the OP's house, it looks like it was there from the beginning.

Originally Posted by NB2K

Nobody wants a pole in the middle of a friggin' garage. FACT

wants and needs...

Originally Posted by NB2K

If a man will take a house with pole in the garage over upgraded countertops, he probably let's his wife run the house so he's a failure anyway.

for the most part. but...every home has compromises. you just have to make choices where.

Originally Posted by NB2K

I am not "off-base" about the price-point either; we used the fact that this house had a stupid friggin' pole as a major negotiating tactic. Hard to say for sure, but the pole being there probably cost the seller 10K.

I'd agree w/ the bold.

Originally Posted by NB2K

Again, the OP's house is much older, I assume, so it may not be relevant.
It is also not my intent to knock the OP's house; I'm sure it will turn out great.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by ...Whitepower...

Lars is pretty much right on all accounts....

[...Whitepower...]

Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

I hurt me to say that.

[NB2K]

The odd part to me was I had never seen crap like that and in the past month I saw two.

I think everyone agrees nobody wants poles in the garage b/c they are obtrusive.

[...Whitepower...]

Originally Posted by NB2K

The odd part to me was I had never seen crap like that and in the past month I saw two.

I think everyone agrees nobody wants poles in the garage b/c they are obtrusive.

What you don't like scratching/denting your door in your own garage?

[LATB]

Originally Posted by ...Whitepower...

I hurt me to say that.

aaw...come on man. you know we are cool and never

[LATB]

Originally Posted by ...Whitepower...

What you don't like scratching/denting your door in your own garage?

that's the wife's job.

[NB2K]

Originally Posted by ...Whitepower...

What you don't like scratching/denting your door in your own garage?

When we looked at my bud's house we really considered painting it (the pole) gold and building a wooden stage around it.

Instant ROI.

He bought the house about 40K under market in a demand area so he's a happy camper.

[...Whitepower...]

Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

aaw...come on man. you know we are cool and never

[LATB]

Originally Posted by NB2K

When we looked at my bud's house we really considered painting it (the pole) gold and building a wooden stage around it.
Instant ROI.

gotta love good old American ingenuity