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Old 07-25-2018, 3:06pm   #41
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I'd sure like to hear who the doofus forum mod/cop was over there that made comments like that and then deleted them.

I see a permaban in the future for ptindall.
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I'd sure like to hear who the doofus forum mod/cop was over there that made comments like that and then deleted them.

I see a permaban in the future for ptindall.
Isn't Pewter a CSI in that area?
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IIRC he's in the St Pete area. Roughly.

And if memory serves, he's with Pinellas Co SO.
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Right now there's no thread at all in PR&C on page one about the shooting at all. I wonder if they boneyarded a whole thread.
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Yep. First page of the BTB OT forum - he was doxxed by that goofus that will go unnamed.
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Yep. First page of the BTB OT forum - he was doxxed by that goofus that will go unnamed.
Page one of the BTB OT shows most recent post on July 4th?

Got a link?

And isn't St.Pete near Clearwater, perhaps same county?
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Page one of the BTB OT shows most recent post on July 4th?

Got a link?

And isn't St.Pete near Clearwater, perhaps same county?
BTB OT = Behind The Barn Off Topic


Do you have privileges there? It's a subforum that is by request only.

I'll check if you do.
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Do you have privileges there? It's a subforum that is by request only.

I'll check if you do.
I thought I did, but haven't looked there for awhile.
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It does not appear that you have privileges.

PM Y2KVERT4ME
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He is indeed with Pinellas Co S.O.

Not a sworn LEO but some sort of CSI or a tech
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He is indeed with Pinellas Co S.O.

Not a sworn LEO but some sort of CSI or a tech
I PMd Y2K but he's not logged on right now.
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The police didn't charge him with a crime. Doesn't the DA usually follow the same route as the police dept.? Which way does the DA lean in that county? Seems like there was one in another FL county a couple of years ago that was anti-police or anti-gun and there was a big story about them vs. local police.
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The police didn't charge him with a crime. Doesn't the DA usually follow the same route as the police dept.? Which way does the DA lean in that county? Seems like there was one in another FL county a couple of years ago that was anti-police or anti-gun and there was a big story about them vs. local police.
The police can only arrest someone. It takes the DA to file formal charges. The DA and police will obviously work together as far as the investigation goes. But the decision to file charges lies with the DA. if the DA, who has to get elected to keep his/her job doesn't want the political flack from filing charges, a Grand Jury can be empaneled and they make the decision to indict. This is just the kind of case, being a political hot potato that could get turned over to a Grand Jury, and it wouldn't surprise me if that happened.


The Grand Jury works for the DA, and the DA is their legal counsel. They have subpoena power, and can compel people to testify under oath behind closed doors. Someone testifying before a Grand Jury can have counsel, but usually the counsel must remain outside the room while the witness testifies. The witness can leave the room and ask counsel questions whenever they feel the need to, even after every question that is asked.

I say all of the above with the caveat that that is how it works in my state, and most states, I think. I do not know the specifics of any Florida laws that may differ from what I wrote.
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Welp.


He was charged.


https://abcnews.go.com/US/shooter-fl...ry?id=57151343
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read a story just a few days ago, some b-ball coach punched a guy, and the guy died of the single punch.

so now he gets to convince a judge or jury that he was in fear for his life when the guy punched him.

or just avoid people altogether.
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OK. We're all in agreement the dead guy should have kept his hands to himself. I also stated up-thread;
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Which I wholeheartedly believe.

However, this incident is a good, if not great reason CCW concerns me. From what I understand CCW permits are skyrocketing. Do we have citizens roaming around just itching to 'defend' themselves? Did the dead guy deserve to be shot? I can't say, neither can any of you. From the short video clip I'm inclined to say maybe not. I appears as if he's backing away from the gun.

The question is this; Does pushing someone to the ground warrant deadly force? Sure. The guy who was pushed could have bashed his head on the ground and died. But he didn't. He had the wherewithal to pull a gun out, aim, and shoot the other individual.

I have a hunch this will end badly for the shooter.
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OK. We're all in agreement the dead guy should have kept his hands to himself. I also stated up-thread;

Which I wholeheartedly believe.

However, this incident is a good, if not great reason CCW concerns me. From what I understand CCW permits are skyrocketing. Do we have citizens roaming around just itching to 'defend' themselves? Did the dead guy deserve to be shot? I can't say, neither can any of you. From the short video clip I'm inclined to say maybe not. I appears as if he's backing away from the gun.

The question is this; Does pushing someone to the ground warrant deadly force? Sure. The guy who was pushed could have bashed his head on the ground and died. But he didn't. He had the wherewithal to pull a gun out, aim, and shoot the other individual.

I have a hunch this will end badly for the shooter.
Fact is even people who pass background checks can be idiots or power crazy.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2016/08/...-report-finds/

Fact is they commit any time of crime at rates lower than the police or any other group.
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CCW concerns me. From what I understand CCW permits are skyrocketing.

Do we have citizens roaming around just itching to 'defend' themselves?
there's no need to guess. Check any state that enacted CCW in the past 20 years; look at 5 years before CCW... and 5 years after, and see if shootings have:

*increased
*stayed the same
*decreased
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Fact is even people who pass background checks can be idiots or power crazy.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2016/08/...-report-finds/

Fact is they commit any time of crime at rates lower than the police or any other group.
The Daily Signal. Is this where I dismiss your source because it was created by The Heritage Foundation?
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The Daily Signal. Is this where I dismiss your source because it was created by The Heritage Foundation?
Yes.
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