Choose your color scheme:
The Vette Barn  
 
Go Back   The Vette Barn > Off Topic/Babes/Other > Off Topic
Register Photo Albums Today's Posts Search Experience

Off Topic Off Topic - General non-Corvette related discussion.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Share Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-05-2022, 8:23am   #1
Mike Mercury
Chief Meat Gazer
Charter Member
Barn Stall Owner #98
Barn Raising II,III,IV
Points: 159,207, Level: 100
Activity: 19.1%
 
Mike Mercury's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Ohio
Posts: 51,063
Thanks: 23,475
Thanked 33,868 Times in 12,342 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $5135124
Default ‘Best Before’ labels scrutinized

food waste concerns grow

https://apnews.com/article/business-...gn=position_09

As awareness grows around the world about the problem of food waste, one culprit in particular is drawing scrutiny: “best before” labels.

Manufacturers have used the labels for decades to estimate peak freshness. Unlike “use by” labels, which are found on perishable foods like meat and dairy, “best before” labels have nothing to do with safety and may encourage consumers to throw away food that’s perfectly fine to eat.

“They read these dates and then they assume that it’s bad, they can’t eat it and they toss it, when these dates don’t actually mean that they’re not edible or they’re not still nutritious or tasty,” said Patty Apple, a manager at Food Shift, an Alameda, California, nonprofit that collects and uses expired or imperfect foods.

To tackle the problem, major U.K. chains like Waitrose, Sainsbury’s and Marks & Spencer recently removed “best before” labels from prepackaged fruit and vegetables. The European Union is expected to announce a revamp to its labeling laws by the end of this year; it’s considering abolishing “best before” labels altogether.

In the U.S., there’s no similar push to scrap “best before” labels. But there is growing momentum to standardize the language on date labels to help educate buyers about food waste, including a push from big grocers and food companies and bipartisan legislation in Congress.

Manufacturers have used the labels for decades to estimate peak freshness. Unlike “use by” labels, which are found on perishable foods like meat and dairy, “best before” labels have nothing to do with safety and may encourage consumers to throw away food that’s perfectly fine to eat.

“They read these dates and then they assume that it’s bad, they can’t eat it and they toss it, when these dates don’t actually mean that they’re not edible or they’re not still nutritious or tasty,” said Patty Apple, a manager at Food Shift, an Alameda, California, nonprofit that collects and uses expired or imperfect foods.


“I do think that the level of support for this has grown tremendously,” said Dana Gunders, executive director of ReFED, a New York-based nonprofit that studies food waste.

The United Nations estimates that 17% of global food production is wasted each year; most of that comes from households. In the U.S., as much as 35% of food available goes uneaten, ReFED says. That adds up to a lot of wasted energy — including the water, land and labor that goes into the food production — and higher greenhouse gas emissions when unwanted food goes into landfills.

Date labels were widely adopted by manufacturers in the 1970s to answer consumers’ concerns about product freshness. There are no federal rules governing them, and manufacturers are allowed to determine when they believe their products will taste best. Only infant formula is required to have a “use by” date in the U.S.

Since 2019, the Food and Drug Administration — which regulates around 80% of U.S. food — has recommended that manufacturers use the labels “best if used by” for freshness and “use by” for perishable goods, based on surveys showing that consumers understand those phrases.

“Most people believe that if it says ‘sell by,’ ‘best by’ or ‘expiration,’ you can’t eat any of them. That’s not actually accurate,” said Richard Lipsit, who owns a Grocery Outlet store in Pleasanton, California, that specializes in discounted food.

Lipsit said milk can be safely consumed up to a week after its “use by” date. Gunders said canned goods and many other packaged foods can be safely eaten for years after their “best before” date. The FDA suggests consumers look for changes in color, consistency or texture to determine if foods are all right to eat.


Mike Mercury is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Mike Mercury For This Useful Post:
Old 10-05-2022, 10:31am   #2
69L46
Vette Barn Crew
Points: 2,792, Level: 34
Activity: 17.8%
 
69L46's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2021
Posts: 653
Thanks: 255
Thanked 530 Times in 224 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $500
Default

Especially true for sugar laden items, such as salad dressings.
69L46 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2022, 11:30am   #3
snide
Barn Raising II,III
NCM Supporter '13
Bantayan Kids '17
Points: 216,817, Level: 100
Activity: 53.6%
 
snide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: I could never live there.
Posts: 339,934
Thanks: 200,281
Thanked 30,508 Times in 14,293 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $108033784
Default

What if we send all our "expired" food to Africa?
snide is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2022, 11:45am   #4
Giraffe (He/Him)
Goldilocks
Barn Stall Owner #905

Bantayan Kids '13,'15
Points: 110,810, Level: 100
Activity: 0%
 
Giraffe (He/Him)'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: My butt's been wiped.
Posts: 30,981
Thanks: 5,227
Thanked 16,607 Times in 7,133 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $1009320
Default

I worked with this guy who used to follow the vending machine dude around and dumpster dive for all the shit he tossed past its date. This **** made $150k/year and here is digging through trash cans. “Perfectly good!” he’d say.
Giraffe (He/Him) is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2022, 11:59am   #5
Mick
A Real Barner
Points: 17,940, Level: 92
Activity: 41.7%
 
Mick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 7,530
Thanks: 1,957
Thanked 7,060 Times in 3,119 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $12721
Default

I was cleaning out the pantry some time ago, and found a jar of capers that was 11 years passed its expiration date. I had my neighbor over, and we ate it on some crackers. The capers were a little mushy from sitting in the vinegar that long, but they tasted fine.
Mick is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Mick For This Useful Post:
Old 10-05-2022, 12:03pm   #6
dvarapala
Barn Stall Owner #1120
NCM Supporter '20,'21
Points: 57,226, Level: 100
Activity: 53.6%
 
dvarapala's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: La Isla de Ira
Posts: 17,538
Thanks: 3,845
Thanked 18,579 Times in 8,211 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $1030760
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Giraffe (He/Him) View Post
I worked with this guy who used to follow the vending machine dude around and dumpster dive for all the shit he tossed past its date. This **** made $150k/year and here is digging through trash cans. “Perfectly good!” he’d say.
Speaking of that... The break room at my company has a couple of vending machines that haven't been used since the pandemic started. Everything inside them must be expired by now.

If our vending machine guy ever comes back I'll have to keep an eye on the dumpster.
dvarapala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2022, 12:07pm   #7
NEED-A-VETTE
Moderatrix
Barn Stall Owner #109
BR Organizer II,III,IV

NCM Supporter '17
Bantayan Kids '13,'15,'17
Points: 120,347, Level: 100
Activity: 2.9%
 
NEED-A-VETTE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Your not a good moderator either, V-A-G. Honestly I find it kind of funny.
Posts: 22,108
Thanks: 10,660
Thanked 18,127 Times in 5,356 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $9966256
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick View Post
I was cleaning out the pantry some time ago, and found a jar of capers that was 11 years passed its expiration date. I had my neighbor over, and we ate it on some crackers. The capers were a little mushy from sitting in the vinegar that long, but they tasted fine.
Now I’m craving chicken piccata.
NEED-A-VETTE is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to NEED-A-VETTE For This Useful Post:
Old 10-05-2022, 12:07pm   #8
RMVette
A Real Barner
Points: 63,844, Level: 100
Activity: 34.9%
 
RMVette's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Matthews, NC
Posts: 17,105
Thanks: 6,250
Thanked 21,836 Times in 9,172 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $311064
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by snide View Post
What if we send all our "expired" food to Africa?
That wouldn't work because we found out that the homeless don't even eat muffin tops....

RMVette is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to RMVette For This Useful Post:
Old 10-05-2022, 12:08pm   #9
Steve_R
A Real Barner
Points: 81,291, Level: 100
Activity: 72.7%
 
Steve_R's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: On the beach
Posts: 32,296
Thanks: 17,193
Thanked 33,441 Times in 11,746 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $1025333
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NEED-A-VETTE View Post
Now I’m craving chicken piccata.
So get in the kitchen and start cooking.

Steve_R is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Steve_R For This Useful Post:
Old 10-05-2022, 12:41pm   #10
Torqaholic
A Real Barner
Points: 30,908, Level: 100
Activity: 19.8%
 
Torqaholic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 7,963
Thanks: 195
Thanked 4,386 Times in 2,404 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $15637580
Default

Dates are just a recommendation, not a law.

Best to examine things before consumption (smell/visual inspection). I find milk to usually be good for 3 days beyond the date, sometimes not, but I've seen it still usable as much as 7-10 days past the printed date. In fact I just poured some down the drain an hour ago that wasn't even set to expire for another 3 days. Had the carton for about a week but it did not smell good when I grabbed it for my coffee this morning.

Assuming proper refrigeration my theory on the variability is due to photo-sensitivity. The amount and strength of light it's been exposed to can probably affect shelf life.
Torqaholic is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Torqaholic For This Useful Post:
Old 10-05-2022, 12:59pm   #11
Mike Mercury
Chief Meat Gazer
Charter Member
Barn Stall Owner #98
Barn Raising II,III,IV
Points: 159,207, Level: 100
Activity: 19.1%
 
Mike Mercury's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Ohio
Posts: 51,063
Thanks: 23,475
Thanked 33,868 Times in 12,342 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $5135124
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NEED-A-VETTE View Post
Now I’m craving chicken piccata.
Mike Mercury is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Mike Mercury For This Useful Post:
Old 10-05-2022, 2:57pm   #12
69L46
Vette Barn Crew
Points: 2,792, Level: 34
Activity: 17.8%
 
69L46's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2021
Posts: 653
Thanks: 255
Thanked 530 Times in 224 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $500
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dvarapala View Post
Speaking of that... The break room at my company has a couple of vending machines that haven't been used since the pandemic started. Everything inside them must be expired by now.

If our vending machine guy ever comes back I'll have to keep an eye on the dumpster.

Our office has been closed since March, 2020. I went back in a few weeks ago and grabbed some cookies from the vending machine. After eating them I noticed the 'Best consumed by' date was Oct 2021.

I'm still here. If I ever need to stock a bomb shelter those will certainly make the list.
69L46 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to 69L46 For This Useful Post:
Old 10-05-2022, 3:02pm   #13
MadInNc
Barn Stall Owner #103
Points: 195,256, Level: 100
Activity: 25.2%
 
MadInNc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: North Cackalaky
Posts: 25,547
Thanks: 11,906
Thanked 31,449 Times in 10,903 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $108939
Default

My wife believes those dates are guidance….

I finally got her to throw out of Kirkland cranberries and pecan snack she brought from her moms fridge when we cleaned it out at her death - 5 yrs ago. To bad my MIL ashes don’t have an expiration date LOL
MadInNc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2022, 3:06pm   #14
NEED-A-VETTE
Moderatrix
Barn Stall Owner #109
BR Organizer II,III,IV

NCM Supporter '17
Bantayan Kids '13,'15,'17
Points: 120,347, Level: 100
Activity: 2.9%
 
NEED-A-VETTE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Your not a good moderator either, V-A-G. Honestly I find it kind of funny.
Posts: 22,108
Thanks: 10,660
Thanked 18,127 Times in 5,356 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $9966256
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve_R View Post
So get in the kitchen and start cooking.

Name:  0CD099EC-2039-42FA-8309-3895139D3348.jpeg
Views: 63
Size:  24.0 KB

NEED-A-VETTE is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to NEED-A-VETTE For This Useful Post:
Old 10-05-2022, 3:09pm   #15
Mike Mercury
Chief Meat Gazer
Charter Member
Barn Stall Owner #98
Barn Raising II,III,IV
Points: 159,207, Level: 100
Activity: 19.1%
 
Mike Mercury's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Ohio
Posts: 51,063
Thanks: 23,475
Thanked 33,868 Times in 12,342 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $5135124
Default




Mike Mercury is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Mike Mercury For This Useful Post:
Old 10-05-2022, 3:10pm   #16
GTOguy
Barn Stall Owner #421
Points: 38,643, Level: 100
Activity: 99.2%
 
GTOguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2021
Location: Those satisfactions are permanent
Posts: 14,513
Thanks: 6,072
Thanked 7,654 Times in 3,762 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $500
Default

I see expiration dates on rubbing alcohol and bottled water. And other non-perishable items. I took an Aleve the other day and the jar said expired in 2010. No worries. Dairy items I pay attention to, packaged and pickled and canned, not so much.
GTOguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2022, 3:10pm   #17
Don Rickles
Mr. Warmth
Points: 36,822, Level: 100
Activity: 48.2%
 
Don Rickles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Vegas Sands Hotel
Posts: 7,583
Thanks: 2,537
Thanked 4,310 Times in 1,964 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $2001216
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick View Post
I was cleaning out the pantry some time ago, and found a jar of capers that was 11 years passed its expiration date. I had my neighbor over, and we ate it on some crackers. The capers were a little mushy from sitting in the vinegar that long, but they tasted fine.




Don't know why but this one made me laugh!
Don Rickles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2022, 3:14pm   #18
NEED-A-VETTE
Moderatrix
Barn Stall Owner #109
BR Organizer II,III,IV

NCM Supporter '17
Bantayan Kids '13,'15,'17
Points: 120,347, Level: 100
Activity: 2.9%
 
NEED-A-VETTE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Your not a good moderator either, V-A-G. Honestly I find it kind of funny.
Posts: 22,108
Thanks: 10,660
Thanked 18,127 Times in 5,356 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $9966256
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Mercury View Post





Click image for larger version

Name:	5ABCBB59-BE21-460E-B64D-3452663BB1E8.jpeg
Views:	1
Size:	852.0 KB
ID:	70470
NEED-A-VETTE is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to NEED-A-VETTE For This Useful Post:
Old 10-05-2022, 3:16pm   #19
Don Rickles
Mr. Warmth
Points: 36,822, Level: 100
Activity: 48.2%
 
Don Rickles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Vegas Sands Hotel
Posts: 7,583
Thanks: 2,537
Thanked 4,310 Times in 1,964 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $2001216
Default

Same, could be said about women too?
Don Rickles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2022, 3:34pm   #20
Mick
A Real Barner
Points: 17,940, Level: 92
Activity: 41.7%
 
Mick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 7,530
Thanks: 1,957
Thanked 7,060 Times in 3,119 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $12721
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Torqaholic View Post
Dates are just a recommendation, not a law.

Best to examine things before consumption (smell/visual inspection). I find milk to usually be good for 3 days beyond the date, sometimes not, but I've seen it still usable as much as 7-10 days past the printed date. In fact I just poured some down the drain an hour ago that wasn't even set to expire for another 3 days. Had the carton for about a week but it did not smell good when I grabbed it for my coffee this morning.

Assuming proper refrigeration my theory on the variability is due to photo-sensitivity. The amount and strength of light it's been exposed to can probably affect shelf life.
It has taken me DECADES to explain to my wife that the date on the milk jug is the "sell by" date. The milk is supposed to be good for a few days AFTER that date, as long as it isn't opened. Once opened, the shelf life is shortened significantly. So if the only milk they have, has tomorrow's date on it, it should last 3-4 days, even though it is past the date when we finish it. If when I buy it, the "sell by" date is 2 weeks away, and 10 days after she opens it, it smells horrible and is curdled, there is NOTHING wrong here! Just throw it out and I will buy you a new jug!

She understands it now, but still grumbles about it from time to time.
Mick is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

The Vette Barn > Off Topic/Babes/Other > Off Topic



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:58pm.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright © 2009 - 2024 The Vette Barn


Support the Barn:
 
Download the Mobile App;
 
Follow us on Facebook:

Become a Stall Owner

 

Apple iOS App        Google Android App

 

Visit our Facebook page