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Old 08-02-2015, 8:18pm   #21
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No offense to the serving military members here, but blindly obeying bad orders got us the fun of Hitler's European tour. Frankly I don't know how anyone could serve under the Kenyan CS, and I hope you decide to disobey when he decides to declare martial law and tells you to shoot guys like me and crazy Gene...
How are they going to shoot you? They can't carry guns here. Maybe O will have them run around going "pew, pew, pew."
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Since every member of the military is issued a weapon and trained in the use thereof...
Neither is true.

I haven't heard a legit news source state that he's being charged.

I have read that he is the Commanding Officer of the facility which gives him broad independent authority.
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Since every member of the military is issued a weapon and trained in the use thereof I have to wonder why every one who is wearing their uniform is not also wearing their weapon? It has become glaringly obvious that terror is indeed a Worldwide problem so it seems irresponsible of the commanders to allow their people t go about without the means to fight.
IDGAS if the sheeple might find the sight of M4s in public disturbing...we are indeed at war and should be prepared at all times!



Ever notice how many pictures we've seen of Israeli soldiers walking around fully armed in public places?
They have first hand experience with these assholes and now we are starting to see the same thing.
We need to rise to the occasion and let them feel the threat of armed reaction wherever they go.
I think NavyC5 and RedLS1GTO are right. Orders must be followed to make it work.Hopefully the shameful spectacle
of a court martial of a hero may bring the changes needed.
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It would seem that the fine folks here in TN (the Land of Shootin' Stuff) who make the CCW laws must be smarter than the Feds who make the laws for our enlisted personnel. For example, if I am in a location that is visibly posted as a no carry zone and a situation develops where I would have to draw and fire my weapon to save my life or others I would not be prosecuted for doing so.

I understand part of military duty is to follow orders without question. I get that. But to what end? No matter what the result is? If your C.O told you to jump off a cliff should you?

Did White break a military directive? Of this there is no doubt. Did he save lives doing so? Witnesses say yes. So I guess the question is which is more important: saving the lives of many other unarmed military personnel or following the misguided directive some moron decreed and watch the asshole shoot them down in cold blood?

I am guessing if one asks Lt. Commander Timothy White if he knew he might face charges for defending his men he would answer:

Damn right, and I'd do it again. Sir.
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I haven't heard a legit news source state that he's being charged.
Since the Navy is publicly denying the claims published by Allen West, you probably won't.

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No offense to the serving military members here, but blindly obeying bad orders got us the fun of Hitler's European tour. Frankly I don't know how anyone could serve under the Kenyan CS, and I hope you decide to disobey when he decides to declare martial law and tells you to shoot guys like me and crazy Gene...
Are you goddamn serious? Did you really just compare our servicemen and women to Nazi Germany?

Just... wow.

Here's a little hint. If you feel the need to start something with "no offense", it's probably offensive to those it is directed towards, in this case, those who serve and who have served.

But hey, by all means, feel free to sit at your f**king keyboard and tell us all how you would do it better.

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I understand part of military duty is to follow orders without question. I get that. But to what end? No matter what the result is? If your C.O told you to jump off a cliff should you?
No, it's not that simple. Not even close. There are decisions to be made... ethical, personal, moral. If you choose not to obey an order, that's great. Man up and take the consequences that come as a result. 1 time in my career I willfully and knowingly disobeyed an order. That's a story for another day and perhaps a beer. I knew the consequences of doing so when I did it. I made a decision, I stuck to it, and I would do it again. In this case, I suspect the LCDR feels the same way.

This isn't an "unlawful order". LCDR knew, beyond any doubt that he was breaking a regulation. Why did he do it? Only he knows.

For this rule, to be perfectly honest, I have absolutely no desire for every 18 year old boot seaman to be walking around Norfolk or San Diego with a gun simply because they are in the Navy. Same goes for every other service. Ariman Timmy doesn't need to be walking around stateside with an M4... just because. The simple truth is that there is absolutely no need for it. Is there anybody here who has served or is serving that thinks that every person on a base should be carrying around a rifle?

My personal preference on the matter would be that bases allow those qualified to carry on base if they desire to do so.
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The Navy may win the battle with LCDr White, but it will surely loose the PR war that this has started.
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I can tell the former military in this thread.

Orders are orders. However, if you feel an order is unjustified, you can disobey it. As said before, be prepared for the consequences. I totally agree that all military should not carry weapons. I had sailors that couldn't tie their own shoelaces and no f'n way would I want them carrying.
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Old 08-03-2015, 6:27am   #29
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Funny in that some 25 years ago, on a Scout overnight visit to Norfolk, the Marine guard put down his AR with long mag....and kept his .45 in holster, and we went looking for lodging, him with radio......

now it is obvious that was policy 25 years ago, WTF is the diff in this case???

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Funny in that some 25 years ago, on a Scout overnight visit to Norfolk, the Marine guard put down his AR with long mag....and kept his .45 in holster, and we went looking for lodging, him with radio......

now it is obvious that was policy 25 years ago, WTF is the diff in this case???

The only difference I see now is that the Marine would be in trouble for leaving his post whereas 25 years ago (anything pre 2001), security was way more relaxed.

There are a large number of armed folks on bases; gate guards, guards at various specific posts, MPs, etc. It's not like the places are left wide open with no way to protect them.
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I had sailors that couldn't tie their own shoelaces and no f'n way would I want them carrying.
Pretty much sums it up.
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Did you ever notice that the people that want to keep everybody defenseless are ALWAYS well protected by ARMED security? Paid for by US!
hypocrites?

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Rant snipped. Yes I'm serious, and no I don't give a fukc if you're offended. If you blindly follow orders that are wrong, you are the one offending me. Don't forget to say "Yes SIR" when you help enact martial law so barry can become the Emperor. And go screw yourself.

This country is in the toilet, we've lost half the freedoms we had and more are in danger, and people like YOU help make it happen. But hey, it's all good. You did what you were told, the higher ranks obviously know what's good for you.
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Rant snipped. Yes I'm serious, and no I don't give a fukc if you're offended. If you blindly follow orders that are wrong, you are the one offending me. Don't forget to say "Yes SIR" when you help enact martial law so barry can become the Emperor. And go screw yourself.

This country is in the toilet, we've lost half the freedoms we had and more are in danger, and people like YOU help make it happen. But hey, it's all good. You did what you were told, the higher ranks obviously know what's good for you.
Thanks for all you have done to protect this country from behind your keyboard.

Enact martial law? "Barry can become the emperor"?

You're a f**king joke.
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Thanks for all you have done to protect this country from behind your keyboard.

Enact martial law? "Barry can become the emperor"?

You're a f**king joke.
Did I hurt you feelers? Truth hurt?

Ban me, if that makes you feel more like a man.

Mindless dolt. (Look it up, if your commander lets you).
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No offense to the serving military members here, but blindly obeying bad orders got us the fun of Hitler's European tour. Frankly I don't know how anyone could serve under the Kenyan CS, and I hope you decide to disobey when he decides to declare martial law and tells you to shoot guys like me and crazy Gene...
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Rant snipped. Yes I'm serious, and no I don't give a fukc if you're offended. If you blindly follow orders that are wrong, you are the one offending me. Don't forget to say "Yes SIR" when you help enact martial law so barry can become the Emperor. And go screw yourself.

This country is in the toilet, we've lost half the freedoms we had and more are in danger, and people like YOU help make it happen. But hey, it's all good. You did what you were told, the higher ranks obviously know what's good for you.
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Did I hurt you feelers? Truth hurt?

Ban me, if that makes you feel more like a man.

Mindless dolt. (Look it up, if your commander lets you).
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Hey mods maybe it's time to close this thread, too many kids are getting their panties in a wad.
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Hey mods maybe it's time to close this thread, too many kids are getting their panties in a wad.
I just wasn't aware I was walking into crazy town.
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Because muslim POTUS.
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Did I hurt you feelers? Truth hurt?

Ban me, if that makes you feel more like a man.

Mindless dolt. (Look it up, if your commander lets you).

I don't even know how to reply to this level of stupid.
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