So let's talk about EV battery range....

[Bill]

....we knew cold weather hurt battery performance, and now we have data showing HOT weather also hurts battery performance. Good to know as it's just settled on in at + 100 degree weather for the foreseeable future here.


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...rformance.html

August 7, 2023
New data show temperatures above 86F begin a precipitous decline of EV performance
By Olivia Murray

Okay, so let me get this straight regarding the "quirks" of electric vehicles. If you're fleeing a natural disaster, like a hurricane, for instance, the nature of the design might impede efficient and safe evacuation, or they might simply explode, because exposure to salt water can link the positive and negative battery terminals, causing a short circuit. Well, if they're just sitting there, too, I guess, there's still a heightened risk of spontaneous explosion with a long-burning, extra-hot, inextinguishable fire. They don't really work in "cold" weather, and now, according to new data, "excessive heat can greatly diminish electric vehicle range," too?

Recurrent, an auto company based in Seattle, has a mission to "accelerate the overall adoption" of E.V.s and, to do so, strives to provide "transparency and confidence" in pre-owned E.V. purchases. This past Friday, the enterprise released a research report titled "Deep Dive: Lithium Ion Batteries and Heat," which included a hilariously absurd graphic (although undoubtedly it wasn't meant to be taken as such) that showed the "optimal temperature" range to avoid issues. That scope was limited to between 59 and 86 degrees Fahrenheit. Outside that limited field, there are either "slow reactions" or "accelerated side reactions," like those listed at the outset of this blog post. From the report itself:

Given the risks of excess heat in a battery, thermal management systems are essential to maintain safe operating temperatures. If the battery overheats, it can lead to safety hazards, reduced battery performance, and accelerated degradation of the battery components.

Also worth noting for context is that according to the unelected global bureaucracies, the political left and all its useful idiots, and many Western governments, the world is on the precipice of a cataclysmic environmental disaster thanks to petroleum-powered cars — a disaster that includes but is not limited to, warming, cooling, boiling, freezing, or any other kind of temperature change — and therefore, we must all adopt these E.V.s as quickly as possible to avoid the point of no return.

Are they for real? Yes, yes, they most certainly are.

Also from the report was this little gem:

Even when you're not driving your electric car, heat can have a significant impact on the battery. To decrease the negative effects of heat on EV batteries at rest, it is ideal to park in shaded areas or garages whenever it's especially hot or sunny.

In contrast to a gas-powered vehicle, which can be parked anywhere without the very real risk of spontaneous combustion, now you need to be careful where you park these hazards? What an absolute nightmare!

Now, I lived in Tucson, Arizona for around eight years, and let me clear up any myths regarding the "cool" months — they don't exist. You'll have cold nights, and some cold mornings, but they are few and far between. In fact, I remember loading my car up mid-December 2021 in preparation for the Christmas holiday, and the temperature in the mid-morning hours was already in the 90s. Where in the world do temperatures consistently fall in the "optimal" range? Nowhere, and the minds behind the E.V. push know that.

Can any of our EV owners confirm or deny this? Does ball scorching hot weather decrease range in your EV?

[ptindall]

I lived in Tucson, Arizona for around eight years, and let me clear up any myths regarding the "cool" months — they don't exist. You'll have cold nights, and some cold mornings, but they are few and far between. In fact, I remember loading my car up mid-December 2021 in preparation for the Christmas holiday, and the temperature in the mid-morning hours was already in the 90s.

I just looked up the temp in Tucson on 12/15/21 at 10:00am. It was 47 degrees. The high that day was 55. Maybe it was 12/20/21? Nope. It was 60 degrees at 10:00am. High of 74. This guy is full of shit. I would venture to says its never been 90s in the morning hours in December in Tucson ever.

[PLRX]

[TheRealBadger]

Originally Posted by PLRX

https://electrek.co/2022/01/12/gover...2%20from%20EVs.

[GTOguy]

Third time I mentioned it, here we go again: in late July I was driving from Las Vegas to Fresno, and was somewhere east of Barstow on the 15 in the hills. It was 111 degrees out, late morning. There was a Nissan Leaf, going 40 mph with the windows down, with the hazards on. He was running out of charge. Cars backed up behind him. The guy was dying in there, being a martyr. I don't think he made it even close to Baker....we were like 65 miles out still, maybe more. I rolled by at 70 in my 18 year old Tundra, AC blowing ice cubes, pulling a trailer.

[Bruze]

Dealers/gov/media/ads, etc. are not giving you the truth about EV range. It is always optimistic. Hot or cold weather reduces the range, and in cold weather they use their own current to keep themselves warm when not being driven. Also, just sitting for a few days will drain power off.

For the straight scoop on EVs (or any other car) read Eric Peters Auto.

[ricks327]

Thank God GrandSport C3 isn't on this forum to see this thread.

[DJ_Critterus]

i saved $10-20K on my car's battery because I don't own an EV

[ZipZap]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

Third time I mentioned it, here we go again: in late July I was driving from Las Vegas to Fresno, and was somewhere east of Barstow on the 15 in the hills. It was 111 degrees out, late morning. There was a Nissan Leaf, going 40 mph with the windows down, with the hazards on. He was running out of charge. Cars backed up behind him. The guy was dying in there, being a martyr. I don't think he made it even close to Baker....we were like 65 miles out still, maybe more. I rolled by at 70 in my 18 year old Tundra, AC blowing ice cubes, pulling a trailer.

Dude missed some good jerky in Baker.

Having said that, as we have seen for the past 60 years, temperature does not supersede stupidity. Not stopping for fuel due to the raping you'll receive at the state line can be painful. I'll bet when you turned right in Barstow, the brave warrior turned left.After a $500 tow

[Bruze]

Originally Posted by ricks327

Thank God GrandSport C3 isn't on this forum to see this thread.

[PLRX]

Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus

i saved $10-20K on my car's battery because I don't own an EV

You are into something there DJ.

[ThePirate]

Can't deny the range problem. Fully charged I get about 230 miles. It's a 2017 Tesla Model S. That's not much but if I need to go farther I'll rent a car. I charge my car in my garage whenever it needs it so it is a lot cheaper than gas. New EVs are getting ever increasing mileage, some up to 500 miles per charge. If I have to charge on the road I get free fill-ups from Tesla Superchargers for FREE. Yes it takes time to charge when I have to, but their chargers are mostly around/in shopping centers where you can eat, and relax. The Tesla app notifies you when the charging is done so you don't have to stay right near your car. EVs are not for everyone yet.

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by ThePirate

Can't deny the range problem. Fully charged I get about 230 miles. It's a 2017 Tesla Model S. That's not much but if I need to go farther I'll rent a car. I charge my car in my garage whenever it needs it so it is a lot cheaper than gas. New EVs are getting ever increasing mileage, some up to 500 miles per charge. If I have to charge on the road I get free fill-ups from Tesla Superchargers for FREE. Yes it takes time to charge when I have to, but their chargers are mostly around/in shopping centers where you can eat, and relax. The Tesla app notifies you when the charging is done so you don't have to stay right near your car. EVs are not for everyone yet.

I have a relative in NC who has a Tesla for around town. He pays 6 cents per KWH for electricity. So it costs him $3 to drive 200+ miles.
Where I live in CA, electricity is over 50 cents per KWH, so it's about 9 times more expensive to charge. Almost $30 to drive 200 miles. And, where I am, we are on rotational brown-outs and no-charge periods with tiered (punitive) hours of power use. So our grid cannot handle it. Where I am, in hot central CA, with big distances, EV's don't make sense at all.

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

I have a relative in NC who has a Tesla for around town. He pays 6 cents per KWH for electricity. So it costs him $3 to drive 200+ miles.
Where I live in CA, electricity is over 50 cents per KWH, so it's about 9 times more expensive to charge. Almost $30 to drive 200 miles. And, where I am, we are on rotational brown-outs and no-charge periods with tiered (punitive) hours of power use. So our grid cannot handle it. Where I am, in hot central CA, with big distances, EV's don't make sense at all.

My C7Z is now full-time e85, I get about 10 - 11 mpg, 16 gal tank, $3,00/gal, so I pay $48 to go 175 miles, almost as good as a kali ev .

[Bill]

Originally Posted by ThePirate

Can't deny the range problem. Fully charged I get about 230 miles. It's a 2017 Tesla Model S. That's not much but if I need to go farther I'll rent a car. I charge my car in my garage whenever it needs it so it is a lot cheaper than gas. New EVs are getting ever increasing mileage, some up to 500 miles per charge. If I have to charge on the road I get free fill-ups from Tesla Superchargers for FREE. Yes it takes time to charge when I have to, but their chargers are mostly around/in shopping centers where you can eat, and relax. The Tesla app notifies you when the charging is done so you don't have to stay right near your car. EVs are not for everyone yet.

Is that 230 reliable? Do you find yourself out and about, in traffic, say at 180 or so, and worry about getting stuck in a traffic jam? What I am asking is, what's your actual practicable range? If you've got 190 miles, it's 10 miles home, and you're thinking about adding a 5 mile each way detour to that last trip, are you very sure there's no issue with putting 210 miles on the car, almost exhausting the battery? And does the car perform the same with the battery at a 10 or 15% charge?

[TheRealBadger]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

I have a relative in NC who has a Tesla for around town. He pays 6 cents per KWH for electricity. So it costs him $3 to drive 200+ miles.
Where I live in CA, electricity is over 50 cents per KWH, so it's about 9 times more expensive to charge. Almost $30 to drive 200 miles. And, where I am, we are on rotational brown-outs and no-charge periods with tiered (punitive) hours of power use. So our grid cannot handle it. Where I am, in hot central CA, with big distances, EV's don't make sense at all.

I call BS. Average residential rate in CA is .31.

Where are you paying “over 50 cents”

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by TheRealBadger

I call BS. Average residential rate in CA is .31.

Where are you paying “over 50 cents”

Fresno. 51 cents per Kwh at peak.

[Bruze]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

I have a relative in NC who has a Tesla for around town. He pays 6 cents per KWH for electricity. So it costs him $3 to drive 200+ miles.
Where I live in CA, electricity is over 50 cents per KWH, so it's about 9 times more expensive to charge. Almost $30 to drive 200 miles. And, where I am, we are on rotational brown-outs and no-charge periods with tiered (punitive) hours of power use. So our grid cannot handle it. Where I am, in hot central CA, with big distances, EV's don't make sense at all.

It will continue to get worse and will spread to other states. Their goal is to limit our mobility.

THIS IS THE PLAN OF THE GLOBALISTS. It's is all happening on purpose and it's not a secret.

"Vee have penetrated zee cabinets." Klaus Schwab (paraphrased) recently referring to major global governments.

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[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Most of us here have no interest in EVs. But they're coming and the current limitations like range, charging and the necessary infrastructure will develop at a rapid pace. Thanks god I'm too old to have to worry about not having any other options. I'll be dead as fried chicken.

[Bruze]

Originally Posted by Giraffe (He/Him)

Most of us here have no interest in EVs. But they're coming and the current limitations like range, charging and the necessary infrastructure will develop at a rapid pace. Thanks god I'm too old to have to worry about not having any other options. I'll be dead as fried chicken.

Me too, hopefully.

I'm glad I'm not a lot younger.