Florida is a horrible place to live...

[cptlo306]

Florida is a horrible place to live according to Trump. All those conservative policies that resulted in large numbers of people moving to Florida over the last few years were all bad. All those Republicans in the Florida legislature are horrible people for enacting laws that helped make Florida a more conservative state.

I seriously don't understand how conservatives can support this man any longer. He's using democrat talking points to bash a very successful Republican governor.

Twitter

Link to full statement on his website:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/bd...b-c64e4a7707ce

[Steve_R]

Trump, like the Clintons and Obamas, needs to STFU and disappear. Their egos will never allow that.

[Aerovette]

OP totally missed the point.

[cptlo306]

Originally Posted by aerovette

OP totally missed the point.

Please enlighten me. I can't wait to hear this.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by cptlo306

Please enlighten me. I can't wait to hear this.

You have totally ignored the "Under DeSantis" portion of Trump's rant. You also ignored the "in many areas and for many cohorts" part.

Now, are there any specific data points you dispute or is Trump accurate in his statements?

As a point of reference, Democratic leadership has turned Houston in to a complete shithole...however, it has provided a decent income and other advantages I would not get elsewhere. Trump can both live in Florida and recognize or point out negative changes under DeSantis.

You don't like Trump so if he said it was daylight, you'd find fault with it. That renders your perspective biased and worthless. You lack objectivity so the entire thread is garbage.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Trump, like the Clintons and Obamas, needs to STFU and disappear. Their egos will never allow that.

I’m a lifelong conservative and I live in Florida. And I said that. I know some will disagree, but I believe Trump would destroy the Republican Party if it got him 4 more years as POTUS.

[Bruze]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Trump, like the Clintons and Obamas, needs to STFU and disappear. Their egos will never allow that.

Yep. Trump is not a conservative. He has no world view, no ideology, no plumb line. He's like water, he just takes the easiest route down.

He never campaigned on reducing spending and liked every spending bill he ever saw.

And he said something like (as I recall) during the "Red Flag" law debate: "Take their guns first, and worry about due process later."

He did absolutely nothing to stop the riots in 2020 -- he could have invoked https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807 Sure the Deep State would have come down on him like a ton of shit, but they did anyway.

I voted for him twice, and he will probably be known as an important historical figure (for better or for worse) but his time is over.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by aerovette

You don't like Trump so if he said it was daylight, you'd find fault with it. That renders your perspective biased and worthless. You lack objectivity so the entire thread is garbage.

Trump doesn't like (i.e. feels threatened by) DeSantis, so if DeSantis said it was daylight Trump would find fault with it. Feel free to follow your own logic.

[cptlo306]

Originally Posted by aerovette

You have totally ignored the "Under DeSantis" portion of Trump's rant. You also ignored the "in many areas and for many cohorts" part.

Now, are there any specific data points you dispute or is Trump accurate in his statements?

As a point of reference, Democratic leadership has turned Houston in to a complete shithole...however, it has provided a decent income and other advantages I would not get elsewhere. Trump can both live in Florida and recognize or point out negative changes under DeSantis.

You don't like Trump so if he said it was daylight, you'd find fault with it. That renders your perspective biased and worthless. You lack objectivity so the entire thread is garbage.

I didn't ignore anything. DeSantis is not a dictator in Florida. All the policies that he signed involved the legislature. Bashing DeSantis is also bashing all those Republicans.

Click on some of the links in his statement and you'll see some of them are left-wing websites.

It is very true that I don't like Trump and that is largely because of stuff like this. Instead of bashing a very popular governor in a very popular state, Trump should be bashing Biden and talk about how Trump will implement policies to help the country. Instead he spends more time bashing DeSantis because he's scared of DeSantis beating him in the primary.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by cptlo306

I didn't ignore anything. DeSantis is not a dictator in Florida. All the policies that he signed involved the legislature. Bashing DeSantis is also bashing all those Republicans.

Click on some of the links in his statement and you'll see some of them are left-wing websites.

It is very true that I don't like Trump and that is largely because of stuff like this. Instead of bashing a very popular governor in a very popular state, Trump should be bashing Biden and talk about how Trump will implement policies to help the country. Instead he spends more time bashing DeSantis because he's scared of DeSantis beating him in the primary.

Is bashing Trump also bashing all Republicans or is that different?

I'm not Trump's strategist, but I assume he'd like to only fight Biden further down the road as opposed to fighting Biden AND other Republicans. Knock the Republicans out and stand alone to fight Biden one on one. Just a guess.

[cptlo306]

And while I'm bashing Trump, whomever he hired to publish this post on his website should be fired or at least take a class in formatting text correctly.

[Aerovette]

Tell me the untruth(s) here...


Florida is “one of the least affordable states” in the country.

“The National Low Income Housing Coalition estimates that a Floridian making $10 an hour must work 86 hours per week just to afford rent on a modest single bedroom home in Florida,” the Trump campaign asserted.


The release then spotlighted rising home prices, contending that three of the 16 most unaffordable metros in the country are in the state (Orlando, Miami and Tampa).

“Florida is now the fourth-most expensive state in the country for health care, and has the highest annual car insurance premiums in the nation,” the Trump campaign said.

Florida ranks in the 10 most expensive states in the continental United States for fuel prices, and in 2023, Florida imposed a new hike on fuel purchases,”

“Under Ron DeSantis, Florida has become one of the worst states” in many areas and for many cohorts, per the Trump campaign.


“In Education, Florida ranks among the worst in the Country and on crime statistics, Florida ranked Third Worst in Murder, Third Worst in Rape, and Third Worst in Aggravated Assault. For 2022, Jacksonville was ranked as one of the Top 25 Major Crime Cities in the Country, with Tampa and Orlando not doing much better,”

“On Education, Florida ranks #39 in Health & Safety in the Country, #50 in Affordability, and #30 in Education & Childcare.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

I’m a lifelong conservative and I live in Florida. And I said that. I know some will disagree, but I believe Trump would destroy the Republican Party if it got him 4 more years as POTUS.

You and people like you are part of the problem.

[Yadkin]

Floriduh sux because the residents don't know how to drive. /thread

[cptlo306]

Originally Posted by aerovette

Florida is “one of the least affordable states” in the country.

“The National Low Income Housing Coalition estimates that a Floridian making $10 an hour must work 86 hours per week just to afford rent on a modest single bedroom home in Florida,” the Trump campaign asserted.

The National Low Income Housing Coalition is a far left organization. I don't trust their numbers. Do you? Also, the minimum wage in Florida is $11 so the $10/hour thing is pointless. Why is Trump quoting a far left organization.

Originally Posted by aerovette

The release then spotlighted rising home prices, contending that three of the 16 most unaffordable metros in the country are in the state (Orlando, Miami and Tampa).

More people moving to Florida = higher home prices. Simple concept. Not having a state income tax offsets some of that compared to other states.

Originally Posted by aerovette

“Florida is now the fourth-most expensive state in the country for health care, and has the highest annual car insurance premiums in the nation,” the Trump campaign said.

He links to an article on a New York NBC TV station. Seems like there would be better sources if it were all true.

Originally Posted by aerovette

Florida ranks in the 10 most expensive states in the continental United States for fuel prices, and in 2023, Florida imposed a new hike on fuel purchases,”

The linked website has Florida as 11th highest for regular unleaded, 13th highest for mid-grade, and 17th highest for premium. Again, no state income tax offsets some of that.

Originally Posted by aerovette

“In Education, Florida ranks among the worst in the Country and on crime statistics, Florida ranked Third Worst in Murder, Third Worst in Rape, and Third Worst in Aggravated Assault. For 2022, Jacksonville was ranked as one of the Top 25 Major Crime Cities in the Country, with Tampa and Orlando not doing much better,”

“On Education, Florida ranks #39 in Health & Safety in the Country, #50 in Affordability, and #30 in Education & Childcare.

That info is the opinion of a writer at WalletHub.com.

[cptlo306]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

You and people like you are part of the problem.

He's right.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by cptlo306

The National Low Income Housing Coalition is a far left organization. I don't trust their numbers. Do you? Also, the minimum wage in Florida is $11 so the $10/hour thing is pointless. Why is Trump quoting a far left organization.




More people moving to Florida = higher home prices. Simple concept. Not having a state income tax offsets some of that compared to other states.




He links to an article on a New York NBC TV station. Seems like there would be better sources if it were all true.




The linked website has Florida as 11th highest for regular unleaded, 13th highest for mid-grade, and 17th highest for premium. Again, no state income tax offsets some of that.




That info is the opinion of a writer at WalletHub.com.

Now we are getting somewhere. It is what you believe and what it seems like. I get it.

Now it isn't Trump's opinion it is some leftist rag?

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

You and people like you are part of the problem.

What problem would that be, never voting for a Democrat?

[cptlo306]

Originally Posted by aerovette

Now we are getting somewhere. It is what you believe and what it seems like. I get it.

Do you agree with all the negatives Trump included?

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by cptlo306

Do you agree with all the negatives Trump included?

I agree with a lot of what Trump says in concept. I don't get too wrapped up in whether something is 11% or 13% of something. It is minutia. I don't let the insignificance of the delta in the data, throw the entire message off track. The message is there are 50 states and of them Florida has high fuel prices. Why does it matter if they rank 10th or rank 11th?