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Old 11-24-2020, 6:40pm   #61
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Back on topic a bit. At work they instituted a new pay raise system. We used to determine top performers and award them with better raises. Some dipshit in HR decided, "Let's give everyone a base percentage raise each year". So we now get the "Blue Ribbon" award to everyone. The top performers get 3% and the low enders get 3%. How hard do you think most work? Not much incentive to bust your ass when he idiot next to you is getting the same pay raise for just getting by. Socialism at it's finest.
Hence socialism.
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Back on topic a bit. At work they instituted a new pay raise system. We used to determine top performers and award them with better raises. Some dipshit in HR decided, "Let's give everyone a base percentage raise each year". So we now get the "Blue Ribbon" award to everyone. The top performers get 3% and the low enders get 3%. How hard do you think most work? Not much incentive to bust your ass when he idiot next to you is getting the same pay raise for just getting by. Socialism at it's finest.
Wow that's some bullshit isn't it...

A company that I worked for did govt contract work, we employees were constantly evaluated. They never and i mean never gave a bad review or a well deserved zero pay raise due to govt requirements and wanting to keep profits high as possible by showing what outstanding employees they had.
I can recall one incident a guy was false reporting a massive amount of hours and the customer had never seen the guy. That's the only time I think someone was bad mouthed and made company look bad.
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Back on topic a bit. At work they instituted a new pay raise system. We used to determine top performers and award them with better raises. Some dipshit in HR decided, "Let's give everyone a base percentage raise each year". So we now get the "Blue Ribbon" award to everyone. The top performers get 3% and the low enders get 3%. How hard do you think most work? Not much incentive to bust your ass when he idiot next to you is getting the same pay raise for just getting by. Socialism at it's finest.
Contrast this with one company I worked for in the distant past. Every year they would evaluate every employee and assign them to one of 3 categories. The top tier got a raise every 12 months. The middle tier got a raise after 13 months. The bottom tier got a raise after 14 months, and if they remained in the bottom tier for too long they got fired.

How's that for incentive?
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Back on topic a bit. At work they instituted a new pay raise system. We used to determine top performers and award them with better raises. Some dipshit in HR decided, "Let's give everyone a base percentage raise each year". So we now get the "Blue Ribbon" award to everyone. The top performers get 3% and the low enders get 3%. How hard do you think most work? Not much incentive to bust your ass when he idiot next to you is getting the same pay raise for just getting by. Socialism at it's finest.
This is why I prefer the system I am on. My salary has barely changed and if someone were to do the math on my base, they'd wonder why I am a happy employee. It's in the bonuses. I prefer it that way. If you get money added to your paycheck, it just gets absorbed in to daily life and pretty soon it's like you never got it at all.
I used this example at one place I worked. I told my boss that if he gave each employee a $200.00 a year raise, he'd piss them off... BUT, if Christmas came and he handed each employee a crisp $100.00 bill, they'd be grateful...and he'd spend half as much.
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i don't drink, so i buy ammo...and ammo is no longer cheap.
You probably generated enough brass (which is the most expensive component) this year to allow reloads for 2 years. Make a one time investment in a manual progressive press and you can load (or could before the current panic)1k 9mm for $20 in powder, $25.00 in primers and less than $100 in plated bullets. You choose your power factor, and since you are retired the time is yours to allocate as well.
Component prices are up at present, but it is still about half (or less) as expensive to roll your own.
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This is why I prefer the system I am on. My salary has barely changed and if someone were to do the math on my base, they'd wonder why I am a happy employee. It's in the bonuses. I prefer it that way. If you get money added to your paycheck, it just gets absorbed in to daily life and pretty soon it's like you never got it at all.
I used this example at one place I worked. I told my boss that if he gave each employee a $200.00 a year raise, he'd piss them off... BUT, if Christmas came and he handed each employee a crisp $100.00 bill, they'd be grateful...and he'd spend half as much.
That's no jelly of the month club.
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On topic, what to do with all able bodied folk will require a paradigm shift in society. I suggest we phase the current welfare system out over the next 10 years or so starting with turning it into workfare. Farmer Joe needs to harvest tomatoes? Call the welfare division instead of importing migrants; walla the crop gets picked and the folk on public assistance earn a living while acquiring a marketable skill. Or the local government could use the workforce to complete public works projects like trash removal, blight reduction or the like. Choose a "term limit" for public assistance... if able bodied you either get hired somewhere and make your own way or get a 90 day furlough before you can re-apply. Encourage exit from the program, not reliance thereon.
Homeless and indigent people could sign on for consideration in the same system and benefit from working as well. The logistics would need some fine tuning but since Obamaphones I expect it is doable.
I live in a port city which is also in an area where tree farming is big business. Possibly the most sought after labor in my area are commercial truck drivers. Hell, anyone who can pass a DOT physical and is not mentally impaired should be "trainable" in that capacity. I am certain similar local needs exist all across this country waiting to be fixed. BUT no one who is likely to get elected Nationally has the stones to try something like this so I think we are still F****ed.
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why do anything? the economy is just fine with them being unemployed
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On topic, what to do with all able bodied folk will require a paradigm shift in society. I suggest we phase the current welfare system out over the next 10 years or so starting with turning it into workfare. Farmer Joe needs to harvest tomatoes? Call the welfare division instead of importing migrants; walla the crop gets picked and the folk on public assistance earn a living while acquiring a marketable skill. Or the local government could use the workforce to complete public works projects like trash removal, blight reduction or the like. Choose a "term limit" for public assistance... if able bodied you either get hired somewhere and make your own way or get a 90 day furlough before you can re-apply. Encourage exit from the program, not reliance thereon.
Homeless and indigent people could sign on for consideration in the same system and benefit from working as well. The logistics would need some fine tuning but since Obamaphones I expect it is doable.
I live in a port city which is also in an area where tree farming is big business. Possibly the most sought after labor in my area are commercial truck drivers. Hell, anyone who can pass a DOT physical and is not mentally impaired should be "trainable" in that capacity. I am certain similar local needs exist all across this country waiting to be fixed. BUT no one who is likely to get elected Nationally has the stones to try something like this so I think we are still F****ed.
And that existed in the 30's, https://www.britannica.com/topic/Pub...Administration

It would never fly in today's welfare state...
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And that existed in the 30's, https://www.britannica.com/topic/Pub...Administration

It would never fly in today's welfare state...
I agree. It would take another dust bowl depression here to make that a potential reality unless there is sufficient social unrest coupled with insufficient Governmental controls to ignite another civil war. Things in general here are too easy for me to believe that is a genuine possibility.
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why do anything? the economy is just fine with them being unemployed
Because I don't want a bunch of jobless, homeless losers camping out in front of my house?
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Because I don't want a bunch of jobless, homeless losers camping out in front of my house?
Also because this is exactly how a liberal gets elected... The amount of people sucking on govt tit will guarantee thing remiain the same.
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I'm 65 and just retired this year. Like Aerovette, I started at the bottom as a busboy as a part time job. I quit that and got a full time job doing visual inspection, then moved up to doing mechanical inspection, then finally moving to doing measurements on a surface plate using lots of measurement tools I never seen before. Did I have education for this? No, but I showed initiative wanting to learn new things, and it also helped because I liked what I was doing. This finally lead to a field called calibration which I remained in for 40 years.

At one point, I had 2 supervisors, one engineer, and 15 techs reporting to me, including 2 others 500 miles away. With cut backs and the emergence of the CCP virus, my 65th birthing coming up, I decided to retire from the company.

I was recently contacted by the company as they want me to come back as a contractor. They were offering only $70/hr. I said nope - I want $120/hr. They are in the process of getting the contract ready. It will be for only 20 hrs/week with no travel - all working from home.

I think my dad said it best - when I was a kid, we would see some expensive houses and I would ask my dad - where does one get the money to buy that?" My dad would say, "if you work hard and smart, you can make lots of money to buy the things you want. That is why everyone in the world wants to come here and work, because they can be flat broke and become millionaires with hard work."
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Wathen1955, I enjoyed the calibration work I did. Huge dynamometers for electric motors. Medium and high voltage stuff all the way down to calibrating crimp tools, calipers, and mics. Working in R&D we were pretty self sufficient. We'd send our standards out once a year and do all the in-house calibration from those. Old standard analog meters used to calibrate the daily use meters. Interesting stuff. I didn't know squat about that stuff until I started doing it.
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I'm 65 and just retired this year. Like Aerovette, I started at the bottom as a busboy as a part time job. I quit that and got a full time job doing visual inspection, then moved up to doing mechanical inspection, then finally moving to doing measurements on a surface plate using lots of measurement tools I never seen before. Did I have education for this? No, but I showed initiative wanting to learn new things, and it also helped because I liked what I was doing. This finally lead to a field called calibration which I remained in for 40 years.

At one point, I had 2 supervisors, one engineer, and 15 techs reporting to me, including 2 others 500 miles away. With cut backs and the emergence of the CCP virus, my 65th birthing coming up, I decided to retire from the company.

I was recently contacted by the company as they want me to come back as a contractor. They were offering only $70/hr. I said nope - I want $120/hr. They are in the process of getting the contract ready. It will be for only 20 hrs/week with no travel - all working from home.

I think my dad said it best - when I was a kid, we would see some expensive houses and I would ask my dad - where does one get the money to buy that?" My dad would say, "if you work hard and smart, you can make lots of money to buy the things you want. That is why everyone in the world wants to come here and work, because they can be flat broke and become millionaires with hard work."
some years ago, my last company contacted me and wanted my help here locally. they were looking to bid on a large contract, and wanted me to attend the pre-bid meeting downtown. ok, doable. how much are you offering? how much you want? how about $125/hour? long pause...um, can we limit it to 4 hours of involvement? hour travel to town, hour back, hour for the meeting, hour to write things up...sure, agreed.

they have never called me again for anything. fine with me.

"but you are just going to a meeting!"

"yes, i'm going to a meeting as as expert in this topic"

or i could have stayed home, and you could fly someone out here, pay for meals, travel, hotel, and be out $2k. your call.
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This is why I prefer the system I am on. My salary has barely changed and if someone were to do the math on my base, they'd wonder why I am a happy employee. It's in the bonuses. I prefer it that way. If you get money added to your paycheck, it just gets absorbed in to daily life and pretty soon it's like you never got it at all.
I used this example at one place I worked. I told my boss that if he gave each employee a $200.00 a year raise, he'd piss them off... BUT, if Christmas came and he handed each employee a crisp $100.00 bill, they'd be grateful...and he'd spend half as much.
Problem with the system you are on is called bonus. With our merit raise system they also threw in monthly/quarterly bonuses. Well guess what happens when a panic hits. What is one of the first things to go to save cash. TaDa, bonus. You rely on someone deciding if they should give you 3K or 5K or nothing. About what our Incentive compensation does, a big game of juggle the numbers to get what the big dogs want and then release the payment. One of our "Incentive" base points is diversity and inclusion based off of how much of a percentage of women are in higher job bands.
If I had the choice of a bonus or a higher pay raise, the higher pay raise it would be. Being on a pension plan still, it adds to the overall value of total compensation.
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Problem with the system you are on is called bonus. ,,,,,,,
I'm with you. Put it on the check.

Oh I did a good job Mr. Supervisor? Put it on the check.
Oh you're giving me a customer service award? Put it on the check.
Oh I'm employee of the month? Put it on the check.
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i don't care about your pointless titles, i have enough t-shirts and mugs and other crap with the company logo, i'm just here for the money. i'll do my best, but a pat on the back doesn't buy groceries.
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