Lets Have a Poll

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by Olustee bus

me thinks folks are voting on who they want to win.

I dunno...

Me thins folks are voting on the lesser of two losers.

[VatorMan]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

I dunno...

Me thins folks are voting on the lesser of two losers.

I don't agree with 60% of the Trump agenda but H.C. will just be 4 more years of what we have now.

[Chuck A]

we were told to vote hillary due to she likes unions and crap, but i rather vote on who will get me a 12 pack of heinekens quicker, yea i am not voting this year, F-Both of them, so i am voting pie on this post

[Stangkiller]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

sorry, couldn't resist

Of course they aren't going to win this year...looking at our choices at the polls this November, ain't nobody going to win.

But what a strong write in or libertarian showing will do is start to chip away at our two party system. The Republicans need to pack up, and dissolve the RNC (they should have after Mitt lost), same for the dems and their DNC which has also been highjacked as well. The RNC and DNC are part of the polarizing problem here in the US. It's time we had candidates that vote in a manner that represents their electorate, not the bigger party.

The whole if you're for us you have to be against them, bullshit just clearly isn't working, the country can only move forward through reasonable compromise, and we aren't getting it, and we aren't finding middle ground, we just gridlock Washington till one side wins a majority then push as many laws through that side can, till the next election swings the pendulum the other way, it's ridiculous.

[Aerovette]

Here's the down and dirty.

There is only ONE WAY to keep Hillary out of the White House and if for NO OTHER REASON, that is why a vote should not be wasted elsewhere. Yes, wasted. Your gun has ONE and only ONE bullet with a charging Clintopotomus closing in and some of you want to take that ONE SINGLE BULLET, and shoot a tree instead...just to exercise your freedom to choose your target.


I cannot wrap my head around that.

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by aerovette

I cannot wrap my head around that.

Admitting you have a problem is the first step.

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by 6spdC6

Well first off both candidates suck big time! I would HOPE Trump wins as he sucks the least!

With that said IF this is a honest election he should win. Based on last POTUS go-around with obunghole winning in SOME districts by a 110% of the voters, we saw that a lot last time was not honest. They have had 4 more years to rig things (electronic voting machines what a Phucking joke) I would think that the bitch will WIN. ( ER- make that steal the election!)

Nailed it!!! the last two elections were rigged by ACORN on a nation wide basis, all financed through SOROS....all it takes is a thumb drive size into a usb port and the the silly machine counts all ballots as D do that to only one out of 4-5 machines in a precinct....and the D wins easily......to change it back takes about 5 seconds, plug in push button, and the inspector thinks it's fine.....

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by aerovette

There is only ONE WAY to keep Hillary out of the White House and if for NO OTHER REASON, that is why a vote should not be wasted elsewhere.

Trump says we need tight borders; the "wall" will be built.

Trump says during his first year he will set up a Department of Deportation.

Voters say they are sick & tired of the professional politico in this country; Trump has zero days in as an elected politician. He's as removed from this about as far as any candidate has been (in modern times).

So, why can't some see to vote for Trump

[VatorMan]

Walls don't work. See China and Berlin.

What works is fixing the countries these people are fleeing from or penalize the businesses that hire illegals. Reduce the Federal support of illegals and their anchor children to zero. If California and other areas want to pick up the cost of illegals, so be it.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Stangkiller

My predictions:
Republican voter turnout will be similar if not worse to Romneys, mean while Hillary and the positive media representation she receives in addition yet another chance to "vote for history" omg the first woman president, will draw democratic crowds out in record numbers second only to Obamas candidacy.

And here's where you are wrong. First of all, there's the famous line by some New Yorker who said "I have no idea how George Bush won. Not a single person I know voted for him." So anecdotal evidence is not objective evidence. What is objective evidence is that Trump got more votes in the primaries than any other Republican candidate in history, and by a very wide margin. Romney's mistake is that he didn't go after Obama, instead he took "the high road" and basically handed Obama the election in the process. Trump will not make this mistake. Hillary is very unpopular and the press can only prop her up so much, and they can only keep Trumps popularity down so much. The Democrats are very much still divided due to Sanders popularity and even so their turnouts in their primaries were not nearly as high as one would expect given the fact that Sanders was in to the very end.

At this point all Trump has to do is not make any huge gaffes. That's it. And he's been doing just fine at that the last couple of months. People are fed up, and voting third party is simply laughable because it truly is throwing your vote away. You'd be better off just not voting at all, save you a trip to the polls. Personally my prediction is that Trump will win in what will be seen as a landslide.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by polarbear

Be honest, who saw that coming?

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

Walls don't work. See China and Berlin.

What works is fixing the countries these people are fleeing from or penalize the businesses that hire illegals. Reduce the Federal support of illegals and their anchor children to zero. If California and other areas want to pick up the cost of illegals, so be it.

Actually the Great Wall of China and the Berlin Wall were extremely effective at their tasks. The Great Wall wasn't meant to necessarily keep someone from climbing over it, it was used as an observation line. Troops could be moved quickly to put down any incursion. The Berlin Wall kept East Germans from coming over to the Western part of Berlin. Only a handful of East Germans ever made it across alive. Also the wall in Israel has dramatically reduced the number of suicide bombings and attacks on its citizens.

After 9/11 congress passed an appropriations bill to build a much better border fence. It was not done because the democrats want more democrat voters and the republicans want cheap labor and don't GAF what US citizens think about it. Saying a wall won't work is akin to saying we shouldn't bother issuing visas. After all, they're just going to overstay them anyway. Not a single country has survived long having an open-border policy.

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

Walls don't work. See China and Berlin.

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

Actually the Great Wall of China and the Berlin Wall were extremely effective at their tasks. The Great Wall wasn't meant to necessarily keep someone from climbing over it, it was used as an observation line.

sure they worked well. What kind of college professor tripe could turn around the proven success of the Berlin and China walls?

It's not the wall alone that does it... it paves the way to actually be able to "fix the countries"... as Vator later eluded to.

the Berlin wall came down, but only after East Germany was "fixed". The wall eventually gave the eastern population reason to reject the piss-poor leadership thet were forced to live under for all those years.... they couldn't take it anymore.

[VatorMan]

I am in no means an open border guy. I realize that there is 2,000 miles of border between us and Mexico and 5500 miles with that Heinous country called Canada.

That's a LOT of concrete. You are talking about a trillion dollars in wall. It would be easier AND cheaper to just take over Central America down to the Panama canal. That's only 50 miles of wall backed up by a really big ditch.

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

It would be easier AND cheaper to just take over Central America down to the Panama canal.

That is an excellent plan; but reality says it will never happen.

The hell with any more delay caused by "pretend" ideological solutions; it's time for some action.

Hillary will make it worse; Gary Johnson can do nothing about it (powerless, as he can't win).

[RedLS1GTO]

Trump has absolutely no appeal to the educated suburban upper middle-class. I don't have a single local friend or neighbor or coworker that finds anything about Trump appealing.

I fall (mostly) into that category. I'm a little more country than suburban...

The most appealing thing about Trump is that he isn't hillary. I am not a Trump fan. With other options he certainly wouldn't be at the top of my list but as we know, there aren't other options. It is either Trump or hillary. That is the reality and with that reality, pulling the lever for Trump is about the easiest choice I have ever made. Same with the wife. Out of my household there will be 2 Ohio votes (that may or may not get counted) for Trump.

As for the 3rd party argument, Trump may have an (R) after his name but he very much IS a 3rd party candidate.

CAN he win? I believe so. WILL he win? Ehhh... I don't know.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

I am in no means an open border guy. I realize that there is 2,000 miles of border between us and Mexico and 5500 miles with that Heinous country called Canada.

That's a LOT of concrete. You are talking about a trillion dollars in wall. It would be easier AND cheaper to just take over Central America down to the Panama canal. That's only 50 miles of wall backed up by a really big ditch.

Don't need a wall on the northern border. If only our southern border was like that one. A wall on our southern border will probably cost about $15 billion. And Mexico will pay for it, by taxing the remittances of Mexican citizens living here illegally (or legally even.) Our porous southern border is a catastrophe. You name it - rapes of migrant women, drug trafficking, human trafficking, weapons trafficking, tens of thousands of criminals coming here, many ending up in our prison system after causing much harm. It has to stop. It's not racist. It's not mean-spirited. It's actually quite humane and necessary. Trump isn't going to forceably deport tens of millions of illegals. But he is going to stop the current influx dead in its tracks, and he's going to deport criminals by the busloads.

Anyway, that's just part of what I like about his immigration policy. He got more votes than any Republican primary winner in history - over 13 million. There are a lot of people who, when called by pollsters, say they don't support Trump because they are afraid to look like a bigot or racist - because that's what the Democrats with bylines that make up our national media want them to think they are for supporting Trump. But when it comes to voting for him, it seems he gets a lot of actual votes. Certainly more than the other 16 people who ran against him! Nearly as much as all of them combined!

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

As for the 3rd party argument, Trump may have an (R) after his name but he very much IS a 3rd party candidate.

This is very true. Not only is he essentially a 3rd party candidate, he's done something no other 3rd party candidate in American history has ever done - co-opted a national party! And if ever one deserved to be co-opted, it was the Republican Party. You can see why by just looking at what their "elites" thinks about Trump's candidacy. George Will is wallowing in despair, Jeb! won't show his face, nor Kasich (seriously, that guy is a schmuck.) Paul Ryan? Total sellout to K-street and the Chamber of Commerce. On and on and on. So fvck those guys, seriously, and let's get some new blood in Washington. It seriously cannot get any worse than what would be Hillary's presidency, with the Supreme Court lost for generations to the radical left, and that's just for starters.

Also, having an R after his name means our leftist media will actually do their jobs during his presidency. For a change.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Hoog

Admitting you have a problem is the first step.

What step are you on currently?

ONE vote = ONE theoretical bullet to stop that bitch in her tracks.