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Old 11-21-2010, 8:55pm   #21
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Didn't read all three pages of responses but this is an ABC poll. Trusting that is like trusting a politician to tell the truth.

I'm active duty. Why not ask the people serving? They're the ones that will have to deal with being made into tools to push an agenda for a bunch of tools who will probably never serve.

And don't ask vague questions to come up with an answer supporting openly serving gays. Ask one very pointed, direct question. Here it is:

"Do you support gays openly serving?" yes/no are the only two answers. I'd be willing to bet more than 75% of us are against it for various reasons. One of the main ones being the logistics and commanders being relegated to baby sitter status having to find time to carry out their primary missions due to all of the legal/EO complications.

Leave the social engineering for those .gov programs/agencies not engaged in fighting a... no, two wars.
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Do you all actually know how many gay soldiers are fighting right now? I don't know the exact numbers, but living in Virginia Beach, home of a Master Jet Base, and just minutes away from NOB Norfolk, the world's largest naval base, I can tell you there are quite a few....I know several who are deployed right now, and quite a few that have done a couple tours on the front line.

The way I see it, is if they are man or woman enough to step up and risk their lives for their country, then let them serve. Who one finds attractive or decides to sleep with does not make them any more or less of a man.

Honestly, it is just as bad as saying someone is less of a man because he is black, or Asian, or red headed....seriously, it is 2010, aren't we passed stuff like this yet?

And for the record, last person to call me the "F" word (a marine), although I was a little bruised and had a busted lip, he was not able to walk out of there without a little help from his friends...don't stereotype, or misjudge us.
Hey, I was just being honest. I'm not a gay basher, I just sincerely believe that gay people have a glitch in their genetic code. The same way I believe people that are attracted to animals, small children, inanimate objects, dead people, etc... have a glitch in their genetic code. Comparing being gay with having different hair colors, skin tones, or birth origins is n/a. I'm sure there's room in this world for all gays, pedophiles, zoophiles, necrophiles, objectophiles, etc... I'm just not so sure all of those people should serve openly in the military in combat situations.

The fact that you beat the tar out of a marine for calling you names may be proof that it doesn't work very well for others. I am also curious to know your acceptance level of some of the other groups of people that I mentioned, and in what capacity you believe they should openly serve. I mean seriously, how many soldiers do you think want to bunk with guys with NAMBLA tattoos, or pics of their goat lover? Would it be your contention that if America were to embrace gays in the military, they should also support other anomalies as well, and the other soldiers should just grin and bear it or face more beatings?
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Hey, I was just being honest. I'm not a gay basher, I just sincerely believe that gay people have a glitch in their genetic code. The same way I believe people that are attracted to animals, small children, inanimate objects, dead people, etc... have a glitch in their genetic code. Comparing being gay with having different hair colors, skin tones, or birth origins is n/a. I'm sure there's room in this world for all gays, pedophiles, zoophiles, necrophiles, objectophiles, etc... I'm just not so sure all of those people should serve openly in the military in combat situations.

The fact that you beat the tar out of a marine for calling you names may be proof that it doesn't work very well for others. I am also curious to know your acceptance level of some of the other groups of people that I mentioned, and in what capacity you believe they should openly serve. I mean seriously, how many soldiers do you think want to bunk with guys with NAMBLA tattoos, or pics of their goat lover? Would it be your contention that if America were to embrace gays in the military, they should also support other anomalies as well, and the other soldiers should just grin and bear it or face more beatings?
As long as whatever is being done is between two mentally competent consenting adults, I am all for letting people be who they are...hell, if a person wants to sleep with their cousin, sister, father...it may seem a little strange to me and not my thing, but hey, if it makes them happy. The objective words being Mentally Competent, Consenting, and Adults...animals, children, dead people, apple pies...I don't accept...nor am do I have acceptance of people that use what they have (money, power, etc) to "score"

Now let me throw this out...most guys who are against gays, would not complain about seeing (or joining) two women getting it on...basically the same people who are against gays are enjoying a gay act...
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Fear. :d
Fear what....I enjoy a good intellectual adult debate on the subject. It is just when the name calling starts that I have to start hurting people.
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Fear what....I enjoy a good intellectual adult debate on the subject. It is just when the name calling starts that I have to start hurting people.
You have to start hurting people if someone calls you a name?
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You have to start hurting people if someone calls you a name?
No, I ignored him the first two times, asked him nicely the third time, was more direct the fourth - seventh time...opened up a HUGE can - o - azzwhoopin the final time.

I am a patient person...and try not to be violent.
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I am a patient person...and try not to be violent.
I’m going to go out on a limb here, and guess that is a more productive plan.
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I had a gay room mate for a few months when I was in the Army and it didn't bother me.

I recall a discussion I had with him about how people react when they found out he was gay. He was confused why most guys automatically assumed he was attracted to them. He told me that if a guy had women crawling all over them, that was probably the same guy gays guys thought was hot. A guy with women all over the place probably isn't going to have his sexuality threatened by another guy. He told me it was usually the fat and ugly hicks that no one thinks are attractive that caused the biggest stink.
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I had a gay room mate for a few months when I was in the Army and it didn't bother me.

I recall a discussion I had with him about how people react when they found out he was gay. He was confused why most guys automatically assumed he was attracted to them. He told me that if a guy had women crawling all over them, that was probably the same guy gays guys thought was hot. A guy with women all over the place probably isn't going to have his sexuality threatened by another guy. He told me it was usually the fat and ugly hicks that no one thinks are attractive that caused the biggest stink.
I basically cut the legs off this argument in another Thread "Don’t Ask Don’t Tell”
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I basically cut the legs off this argument in another Thread "Don’t Ask Don’t Tell”
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Ok Moderators, you can close-out the Thread.

I've proven my point.

Fear only leads to more Fear.


So tell me again who exactly was screaming to the Mods to close the thread?????
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So tell me again who exactly was screaming to the Mods to close the thread?????
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I had a gay room mate for a few months when I was in the Army and it didn't bother me.

I recall a discussion I had with him about how people react when they found out he was gay. He was confused why most guys automatically assumed he was attracted to them. He told me that if a guy had women crawling all over them, that was probably the same guy gays guys thought was hot. A guy with women all over the place probably isn't going to have his sexuality threatened by another guy. He told me it was usually the fat and ugly hicks that no one thinks are attractive that caused the biggest stink.
Um, thank you, just because we like guys, and you are a guy does not mean we are going to like you, or try to get you drunk and take advantage of you...

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BTW I was talking about the hypthetical lezbo situation.

IMHO there are those guys who are gay and you either can't tell or don't flaunt it. I'd have no problem with guys like that who want to protect and devend this country serving in the armed forces. I may not agree with their choice of lifestyle but I do agree with their heart and desire for keeping this country safe.

Now anyone, hetro or homo, who is in there who is "flaunting" their sexuality could very well be a problem.

IMHO, let the military (officers to ground troops) decide what is best for their organization. The politics needs to be taken out of the military and they should be left what they do best: KBATN.

Just my .02. YMMV.


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That's the best response you got? Go play a round of golf w/your multicultural buddies. Maybe it'll help spur something better.
Sounds like a good idea, but like I told you yesterday it's 15 degrees and snow on the ground.
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And like I said yesterday, you must not be a hardcore golfer then.
If Golfing in 15 degree weather is hardcore, the no I'm not.

I have a place in Lauderdale, so why?
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Now anyone, hetro or homo, who is in there who is "flaunting" their sexuality could very well be a problem.
I agree with you, just like any job...ok, well almost any job...they are there for a particular reason.

I am also not opposed to PDA's by any persuasion, and have held my (EX)partner's hand, put my arm around him, a small kiss, in public, but there is a fine line between PDA, and making out...I don't care who you are, save that for home...sure, ok, the first kiss as a wedding maybe, but gay, str8 or whatever, I don't wanna watch you grope each other, or shove your tongue down someone's throat...good lord, how low are people's standards.
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Sounds like a good idea, but like I told you yesterday it's 15 degrees and snow on the ground.
Pansy, get out there and play...and only use solid white balls to make it even more fun.
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Pansy, get out there and play...and only use solid white balls to make it even more fun.
I see a few idiots Golfing in ridiculous weather ...

I guess it suck when you can't just get on a plane and play at a nice course in nice weather.

But hay, yea do what you can do.
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