Conservatives need to quit hating on Tesla

[LATB]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Yes, it is an American truck. I didn't buy it because it's American. I bought it because there is no truck from anywhere else that has anywhere near the capacity of the American 1 tons.

I doubt that we will see EV’s replace the heavy duty diesel trucks in our lifetime.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

I have people i know that still have flip top phones and they don't know how and won't learn how to text. People fought that until they saw without a cell phone and texting your way behind times. I'am done arguing with you.

You said that my opposition to EVs was based in fear. To put a very simply, you are wrong. Rather than accepting that after I explained it, you went down a completely different path of douchebaggery.

So yes, I am very glad you’re done arguing. Reading the stupid shit you were saying was getting old.

I’m also sending this message from my iPhone while my car manages the gap in front of me as I drive with adaptive cruise, looking down while it keeps me in the lane. If it had full self driving capabilities, I would be using that as well. Guess what, not afraid of that either. But good try.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by ptindall

I can't dislike Tesla because Musk bought Twitter? Am I required to be a Hollywood fan because that's how Ronald Reagan became President? Should I stop insulting Harvard because Thomas Sowell graduated from there?

You can do whatever you want...I find looking at the big picture to be more beneficial to me.

Comparing Hollywood or Harvard of yesteryear to Elon/Tesla of today doesn't logically flow. The Hollywood/Harvard of today has earned any hate they get. What have you done for me lately vs what did you do 50-100 years ago...not the same.

What has Telsa done? It allowed Elon to buy Twitter. We would have no proof of exactly how corrupt our gov't is if it weren't for Tesla and Elon. Neither Harvard nor Hollywood has ever contributed at that level.

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by ptindall

The change from gasoline cars to electric cars has no such interest. Your comparison is poor, which is why nobody ever makes it but you.

And in the next 10-15 years there will be less gas vehicles and more electric.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by LATB

I doubt that we will see EV’s replace the heavy duty diesel trucks in our lifetime.

Agree 100%. How about diesel trains, airplanes, ships etc.

There will always be a need and demand for ICEs.

[ptindall]

Originally Posted by SurfnSun

You can do whatever you want...I find looking at the big picture to be more beneficial to me.

Comparing Hollywood or Harvard of yesteryear to Elon/Tesla of today doesn't logically flow. The Hollywood/Harvard of today has earned any hate they get. What have you done for me lately vs what did you do 50-100 years ago...not the same.

What has Telsa done? It allowed Elon to buy Twitter. We would have no proof of exactly how corrupt our gov't is if it weren't for Tesla and Elon. Neither Harvard nor Hollywood has ever contributed at that level.

The car and what Musk did with the money from the car are still two completely different things. There is absolutely nothing wrong with liking one and disliking the other.

Just like Hollywood and Harvard have earned some of the hate they get, so has Tesla for plenty of reasonable reasons like overselling their ability, taking a vast amount of tax dollars, bursting into flames, having poor quality, and ugly looks. The fact that Musk bought Twitter doesn't change the validity of criticism.

You may not like to read the criticism anymore because you have decided the purchase of Twitter has pulled everything Musk has done into the umbrella of, "our team" but that's not really a logical position.

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Originally Posted by SurfnSun

Yes but being worth a few billion compared to 200b is a completely different ballgame.

Tesla market cap = $550b after losing $95b this year.

Space X = $175b.

The large majority of his money comes from 20.5% stake in Tesla. He owns 42% of Space X which is worth $73b. He could not have purchased Twitter if he only owned SpaceX. Tesla made that possible.

Not sure why you'd not be caught dead in a Tesla. Its funny that a car could illicit such a strong response in someone simple bc it doesn't burn gasoline... sounds like a bit of an irrational phobia but you're completely entitled to it.

Come on man...when there's a "billion" used as a describer of your "net worth" you're in the "stupid money" category. Elon was in the stupid money category long before Tesla was a thing.

Not sure why...? Because EVs are awful, in EVERY FORM. Even if GIVEN one, I'd blow it up (in the kinetic sense), put the pieces in a large bucket and relocate it to a ditch, light it on fire, mold the remaining metal into a cube, and then relocate it to an Air Force bombing range so my boys could drop JDAMs on it until there was nothing left but liquified or aerosolized metal. F*** EVs. And F*** people whole like them. We will never be friends.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by SurfnSun

Agree 100%. How about diesel trains, airplanes, ships etc.

There will always be a need and demand for ICEs.

The world runs on diesel.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

I make a point with Yaddy about the Midwest and South 40-60 years ago and how they were slow to change in many area's and he brings up what's going on now in South and Midwest. I'am not talking about now, things have changed but they're always last from those regions for any major change.

I live in the present, not the past. The South exceeds the midwest/ northeast/ commifornia is every way.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

I live in the present, not the past. The South exceeds the midwest/ northeast/ commifornia is every way.

Thank God for the south or I’d have to live in a rural area of a midwest state where it gets very cold.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

F*** EVs. And F*** people whole like them. We will never be friends.

You are a moron.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by LATB

Thank God for the south or I’d have to live in a rural area of a midwest state where it gets very cold.

I happen to like the cold. It's the damn taxes that I hate.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by ptindall

reasons like overselling their ability, taking a vast amount of tax dollars, bursting into flames, having poor quality, and ugly looks. The fact that Musk bought Twitter doesn't change the validity of criticism.

Overselling? Nearly every car brand I can think of has done that. For example...Remember the C7 Z06, "the most track ready Corvette ever" which couldn't make a full run around the Ring, or overheated at HDPE's on a regular basis?

Quality? Yep they need to improve. Plastic seats in a $100k car isn't cool.

Burst into flames? Hyperbole. Has it happened, sure. Is it a regular occurance? No.

Ugly looks? I think the Model S is a very good looking car as is the roadster that is about to come out. The 3 is not good, but which legacy car company hasn't produced an ugly model? Im sure you remember the Aztek

Being critical is cool... having a weird and unnatural extreme hatred for a car b/c of its power source is just odd to me. All I am trying to do is bring perspective.

[ptindall]

Originally Posted by SurfnSun

Overselling? Nearly every car brand I can think of has done that. For example...Remember the C7 Z06, "the most track ready Corvette ever" which couldn't make a full run around the Ring, or overheated at HDPE's on a regular basis?

Quality? Yep they need to improve. Plastic seats in a $100k car isn't cool.

Burst into flames? Hyperbole. Has it happened, sure. Is it a regular occurance? No.

Ugly looks? I think the Model S is a very good looking car as is the roadster that is about to come out. The 3 is not good, but which legacy car company hasn't produced an ugly model? Im sure you remember the Aztek

Being critical is cool... having a weird and unnatural extreme hatred for a car b/c of its power source is just odd to me. All I am trying to do is bring perspective.

Of course the strength of the varied criticisms is debatable. The question is, should we shut up about Tesla because Musk bought Twitter, as your thread title suggests, or is Tesla a seperate topic from Twitter? The fact that Musk may have used some proceeds from Tesla to buy Twitter really doesn't change anything about Telsa as far as I'm concerned.

If Tesla is to be looked at from a political perspective, it just makes more sense to place it in perspective of the left's push for electric cars than the free speech of the purchase of Twitter.

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

The South exceeds the midwest/ northeast/ commifornia is every way.

These states have the highest percentages of poverty in the country: Mississippi, Louisiana, West Virginia, New Mexico, Arkansas, Kentucky, Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas. You're correct.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by ptindall

Of course the strength of the varied criticisms is debatable. The question is, should we shut up about Tesla because Musk bought Twitter, as your thread title suggests, or is Tesla a seperate topic from Twitter? The fact that Musk may have used some proceeds from Tesla to buy Twitter really doesn't change anything about Telsa as far as I'm concerned.

Being critical is one thing...it's the bizarre hatred/phobia that Im referring to.

If Tesla is to be looked at from a political perspective, it just makes more sense to place it in perspective of the left's push for electric cars than the free speech of the purchase of Twitter.

This is where we disagree. The purchase of Twitter is possibly the most substantial thing to happen in American politics in my lifetime. I don't think it can be understated.

So should we be thankful for Tesla? It was what made the swamp visible...

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

The South exceeds the midwest/ northeast/ commifornia is every way.

The poorest states in 2024

Mississippi $48,716

West Virginia $51,248

Louisiana $52,087

Arkansas $52,528

Alabama $53,913

New Mexico $53,992

Kentucky $55,573

Oklahoma $55,826

South Carolina $59,318

Tennessee $59,695

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

The poorest states in 2024

Mississippi $48,716

West Virginia $51,248

Louisiana $52,087

Arkansas $52,528

Alabama $53,913

New Mexico $53,992

Kentucky $55,573

Oklahoma $55,826

South Carolina $59,318

Tennessee $59,695

This is where these number get skewed. Median income is much higher in CA but that's where the story goes from good to bad.

Median household income via Google.

California - 78k

Arkansas - 49k

Average housing cost

California - 750k

Arkansas - 195k

Average Rent

California - 1,837

Arkansas - 637

If you're a median earner, its way better to be in one of the "poor" states. The poverty level in CA for a family of 4 is right at 6 figures.

[sublime1996525]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

I happen to like the cold. It's the damn taxes that I hate.

I hate that Utah is higher than our surrounding states.

Also, I drove a Mach E today. First time driving an EV. It was different.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

I happen to like the cold. It's the damn taxes that I hate.

Map is incorrect. FL state sales tax is 6%.