Finally Had Enough Of These Cheap..........

[Norm]

Originally Posted by z06psi

If that was a question to my question then you could have just said "yes".

Jeez, what the hell are you talking about?

[z06psi]

[VatorMan]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

my tips are always based on level of service.

To the OP... is the problem with the quality of service (and not the cheapers in your group) ?

It's a problem with old Corvette owners in clubs. I used to hear the old, I'm on a fixed income excuse. I'd say you are in a club devoted to a disposable income car. Guess you should either sell your car or wait till you can afford to go out.

[Norm]

Originally Posted by z06psi

Whatever makes you happy, you're more than welcome.

[Norm]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

It's a problem with old Corvette owners in clubs. I used to hear the old, I'm on a fixed income excuse. I'd say you are in a club devoted to a disposable income car. Guess you should either sell your car or wait till you can afford to go out.

You're right, we have a few stingy folks in the group. I'm having fun with this within the group calling out the cheap SOB's indirectly without having to name names........so far, getting a lot of traction with others......

[RedLS1GTO]

Before anything, I'm generally a good tipper, however I do base it on service.

Now for my likely unpopular opinion...

It seems like you are leading this group's breakfast outings, even if that leadership is not in any official manner. If that's the case, lead it and do it. Collect all of the money, etc, and make it "official" as a group. If not, people are there as individuals and your opinion is quite simply irrelevant. People are going to do what they do. Expecting everybody else to subscribe to your exact tipping habits is foolish.

WTH is a "tip threshold" and who defined it? You? Why not $10 per person? Why not $15?

We as a group, did not meet the tip threshold today, which was 16 of us x $5 = $80. We left $68

How long were you there? An hour? $68 an hour to serve you guys coffee doesn't seem too bad to me. Like I said, I'm usually a pretty damn good tipper, but somebody sending an email like you sent isn't going to do anything but piss me off. You want to leave them $80, $100, $150 go for it. If you want to donate, go for it. If you want to make it something resembling an official event, again, go for it. Until that point, I will continue to leave whatever tip I feel is appropriate, which may be either more or less than your "threshold" on any given day.

[DAB]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Before anything, I'm generally a good tipper, however I do base it on service.

Now for my likely unpopular opinion...

It seems like you are leading this group's breakfast outings, even if that leadership is not in any official manner. If that's the case, lead it and do it. Collect all of the money, etc, and make it "official" as a group. If not, people are there as individuals and your opinion is quite simply irrelevant. People are going to do what they do. Expecting everybody else to subscribe to your exact tipping habits is foolish.

WTH is a "tip threshold" and who defined it? You? Why not $10 per person? Why not $15?



How long were you there? An hour? $68 an hour to serve you guys coffee doesn't seem too bad to me. Like I said, I'm usually a pretty damn good tipper, but somebody sending an email like you sent isn't going to do anything but piss me off. You want to leave them $80, $100, $150 go for it. If you want to donate, go for it. If you want to make it something resembling an official event, again, go for it. Until that point, I will continue to leave whatever tip I feel is appropriate, which may be either more or less than your "threshold" on any given day.

he's got a point.

if you are the official/unofficial leader of this gang, then lead. set out rules (where we are going, how we're going to get there, when we leave HQ, how long we are staying, when we return to HQ, and how much it will cost per head/car to join along).

if you are going to burn $10 of gas having fun, then another $10 for a "tip/gift" to your favorite waitress shouldn't be breaking any budgets. and if it does, then they can stay home and watch Matlock.

imagine the reaction your gang would get if you left $200 in tips on bills totalling $75. bet they would welcome you back anytime. "ah, here come those rich Corvette owners!"

[Norm]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Before anything, I'm generally a good tipper, however I do base it on service.

Now for my likely unpopular opinion...

It seems like you are leading this group's breakfast outings, even if that leadership is not in any official manner. If that's the case, lead it and do it. Collect all of the money, etc, and make it "official" as a group. If not, people are there as individuals and your opinion is quite simply irrelevant. People are going to do what they do. Expecting everybody else to subscribe to your exact tipping habits is foolish.

WTH is a "tip threshold" and who defined it? You? Why not $10 per person? Why not $15?



How long were you there? An hour? $68 an hour to serve you guys coffee doesn't seem too bad to me. Like I said, I'm usually a pretty damn good tipper, but somebody sending an email like you sent isn't going to do anything but piss me off. You want to leave them $80, $100, $150 go for it. If you want to donate, go for it. If you want to make it something resembling an official event, again, go for it. Until that point, I will continue to leave whatever tip I feel is appropriate, which may be either more or less than your "threshold" on any given day.

I appreciate your insightful evaluation, however, we come as a group, not individuals, you want to sit someplace else in the restaurant, knock yourself out. These folks don't have to come, it's not mandatory, it is not a club function, which there are non-club members that attend, so since I've been putting these gatherings together, I have some say as to guidelines about tipping. They don't like it, I don't care too much, I'm looking out for the folks that take care of us.

So far, nothing but positive comments from the group.

[Norm]

Originally Posted by DAB

he's got a point.

if you are the official/unofficial leader of this gang, then lead. set out rules (where we are going, how we're going to get there, when we leave HQ, how long we are staying, when we return to HQ, and how much it will cost per head/car to join along).

if you are going to burn $10 of gas having fun, then another $10 for a "tip/gift" to your favorite waitress shouldn't be breaking any budgets. and if it does, then they can stay home and watch Matlock.

imagine the reaction your gang would get if you left $200 in tips on bills totalling $75. bet they would welcome you back anytime. "ah, here come those rich Corvette owners!"

I don't have to do that, it's been the same bunch for 10 years, give or take a death or two. We all know the routine, pretty much all are used to tipping more than "required". I have advised all that they leave at least a $5 tip, this covers the waitress, busboy, and the owners inconvenience, they do not have to cater to us, we are appreciative that they do.

And, no one's arm is twisted to attend, don't like the tipping, don't come, very simple game.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Norm

I appreciate your insightful evaluation, however, we come as a group, not individuals...

IF you are a group, you should pay as a group and eliminate the variable. You are a group... of individuals. If you pay separately, you are not a group. If you pay as a group, it should be pretty damn easy to collect money as you see fit from the start and hand it to them at the end as opposed to everybody putting individual tips out there and then complaining after the fact.

Originally Posted by Norm

So far, nothing but positive comments from the group.

And are those positive comments are from those that agree with you from the start? You said that you "advised all that they leave at least a $5 tip". Why do you get to make that decision for everybody else? What gives you the power to tell somebody to not show up if they don't like YOUR rules on tipping? I may be missing something but it seems like you have declared yourself the leader and expect everybody else to simply do as they are told, because... well... you said to. Some folks may not take too well to self appointed leaders handing out rules.

If I am paying for myself, I am going to be tipping however much I want to tip, no different than if I was just out with friends in any other situation.

Of course as I read this thread, it reminds me of some of the reasons that I have no desire whatsoever to be part of "groups".

[Norm]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

IF you are a group, you should pay as a group and eliminate the variable. You are a group... of individuals. If you pay separately, you are not a group. If you pay as a group, it should be pretty damn easy to collect money as you see fit from the start and hand it to them at the end as opposed to everybody putting individual tips out there and then complaining after the fact.



And are those positive comments are from those that agree with you from the start? You said that you "advised all that they leave at least a $5 tip". Why do you get to make that decision for everybody else? What gives you the power to tell somebody to not show up if they don't like YOUR rules on tipping? I may be missing something but it seems like you have declared yourself the leader and expect everybody else to simply do as they are told, because... well... you said to. Some folks may not take too well to self appointed leaders handing out rules.

If I am paying for myself, I am going to be tipping however much I want to tip, no different than if I was just out with friends in any other situation.

Of course as I read this thread, it reminds me of some of the reasons that I have no desire whatsoever to be part of "groups".

Yes, they ARE......my rules. I set it up, you don't have to participate, very simple game here.

Your points are well taken, and of course, they are your opinions. Some folks like to have leaders, some are followers, some don't like to belong to groups, some like to belong to groups, some are too damn lazy to take any initiative to do something as mundane as setting up a breakfast gathering of friends.

Here's the way I see it, I take it upon myself to organize these meetings of breakfast and lunch runs, because I like to. I'll set some rules to participate, no arm twisting, no ostracizing, everybody's welcome, however folks that don't like it...............there's the door.

Just like you, if you don't like, you don't participate, I do the same as well.

[aerovette]

Collect 5 bucks from each person before any ordering takes place.

You're welcome.

[Millenium Vette]

Originally Posted by snide

I usually tip pretty good, unless the service was horrible.

*well

[Millenium Vette]

Originally Posted by Norm

These individual breakfast bills usually aren't over $8, so if you were to leave a 20% tip, that's $1.60.

Originally Posted by Norm

[I]TIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you not get the memo? Apparently there a few who haven't. We as a group, did not meet the tip threshold today, which was 16 of us x $5 = $80. We left $68.

So, you are pissed at a couple of members because they didn't leave a 62.5% tip? I don't disagree with your sentiments, but I also can understand why someone thinks a 30% tip is just fine. If I felt as strongly as you do about it I would have just reached in my own pocket for the extra $12 and not said anything. After all if I am rolling a $100,000 Corvette $12 shouldn't be a big deal to me. I would just be glad that I had a good turnout at my event.

[Norm]

Originally Posted by Millenium Vette

So, you are pissed at a couple of members because they didn't leave a 62.5% tip? I don't disagree with your sentiments, but I also can understand why someone thinks a 30% tip is just fine. If I felt as strongly as you do about it I would have just reached in my own pocket for the extra $12 and not said anything. After all if I am rolling a $100,000 Corvette $12 shouldn't be a big deal to me. I would just be glad that I had a good turnout at my event.

Nah, not pissed, just want the skinflints to realize we are not a cheap bunch.

And I have done the throwing in of extra money, more times than I can remember in the past 10 years, that gets old. Not counting any holidays that fall on Thursday, I've roughly did about 450 of these gatherings.

Asking everyone, gimme 5 bucks, gimme 5 bucks, I'm not doing that shit either.

[DAB]

Originally Posted by DAB

next gathering: before you depart Norm Inc., walk around, collect $10 from everyone. now you have everyone's tip in hand ahead of time. $10 a head, not per car.

Originally Posted by aerovette

Collect 5 bucks from each person before any ordering takes place.

You're welcome.

low bidder?

[DAB]

easy solution: let someone else "organize" your next road trip.

you both want to lead this rag tag group, but at the same time, not lead them in the sense of making sure a sufficient tip is left behind for your non-group group. pick one end of the pool and jump in already.

[Norm]

Originally Posted by DAB

easy solution: let someone else "organize" your next road trip.

you both want to lead this rag tag group, but at the same time, not lead them in the sense of making sure a sufficient tip is left behind for your non-group group. pick one end of the pool and jump in already.

What the hell are you talking about, who's you both?

No one has ever stepped up in this group to organize these runs. These every Thursday get togethers are like second nature to these guys, they know they're going to breakfast at 0900 regardless of the weather, like folks going to church every Sunday. These guys don't make Dr's appointments or schedule anything on Thursday mornings.

If I can't make it, I still set it up, and they go.

[DAB]

Originally Posted by Norm

What the hell are you talking about, who's you both?

No one has ever stepped up in this group to organize these runs. These every Thursday get togethers are like second nature to these guys, they know they're going to breakfast at 0900 regardless of the weather, like folks going to church every Sunday. These guys don't make Dr's appointments or schedule anything on Thursday mornings.

If I can't make it, I still set it up, and they go.

you want to lead and you want to not lead - you seem to want to do both at the same time.

fancy writing!

[Norm]

Originally Posted by DAB

you want to lead and you want to not lead - you seem to want to do both at the same time.

fancy writing!

I don't know where you're coming from with this lead not lead stuff, I don't lead anyone, I may make suggestions, but certainly don't lead anyone.

I send out an email on Tuesday advising those that want to attend the Thursday breakfast, it will be at such and such at 9.

That's about it.