Presidential Candidate

[Mike Mercury]

where did the 3rd party supporters fail?

By waiting until the two main factions had already decided on their candidate... and then starting an effort.

You can't amass a winning political stratedgy by waiting until the D & R offering is decided on; then making a decision if you can support one or the other, and then if you can't... now make an effort to help an independant party win.



Like someone said before, a successful political party has to have a groundswell movement... well before an election, with followers that make an effort years before a critical vote is to happen..

When people say "GJ can't win"... it's not a commentary on his character, but instead a realization that the timing of this attempt (to place him in the forefront)... happened way too late in the game.

[Hoog]

You realize GJ has been the nominee of his party since before the other two had mathematically locked up, let alone received, their party's nomination, right? There's two months left before the election...obviously you think that time is a waste because everyone with any sense has already decided to vote for Trump.

Locked primaries limit the choices for millions of voters. The real contest doesn't even start until after all the nominees are in place at the end of July. It is the two party system indoctrination that makes people think that anything outside of the norm just doesn't make sense, and therefore must be wrong because "it's not how it's done".

The choice is there now, but making a different decision based platform is ridiculed because of this ingrained circular logic that guarantees the survival of a two party system. A system that has time and time again proven to give you no real choice, just one based on whatever arbitrary fear they can promote that year.

Trump has so effectively given a wide swath of the voting public exactly what they want to hear, in the voice they want to hear, that they truly believe what he's promising is going to happen....that anyone who doesn't support him must be stupid, or a closet Hillary supporter. It's asinine.

[Will]

Originally Posted by Hoog

Locked primaries limit the choices for millions of voters.

I agree. Thankfully many states have OPEN primaries, and those are where Trump did the best.

Trump is attracting new voters who have been uninvolved because they have had no voice. The fact that a NYC billionaire who has NOTHING in common with these people had to come along to finally speak to them is a sad reflection on our political system.

I can't believe how many people are getting hung up on how imperfect Trump is and hung up on his personal flaws like low self-esteem or hung up on the fact that he talks like a normal human being instead of only repeating carefully crafted sentences that have been quadruple vetted and refined by handlers.

Dude has ISSUES. But he loves this country and he has now REPEATEDLY shown that when the chips are down and he has to make a choice, he will side with the American people over the establishment.

And for conservatives who claim to care about the issues and be intellectual voters, he supports MASSIVE individual income tax reduction and corporate tax reduction. He was willing to concede he doesn't know the judiciary and aksed for help from Jeff Sessions and others to come up with a pool of conservative constitutionalist judges from which he will draw SCOTUS nominees. He supports FINALLY defending our borders, enforcing our immigration laws, and rounding up and kicking out all of the scumbag illegal gang bangers, drug pushers, etc. He supports defending our 2A rights and requiring states to honor carry permits just like they have to honor drivers' licenses. He rejects globalism.

He has some flaws but he's an incredible candidate ON THE ISSUES, VASTLY superior to Romney, McCain, Bush, Dole, and Bush.

And he represents an opportunity to EXPAND the Republican Party. If only the snobs would let him and not cancel out all the new voters he is attracting by throwing a temper-tantrum.

[thecornerman]

Found this on my PC today from years ago

[VatorMan]

Originally Posted by thecornerman

Found this on my PC today from years ago

[Craig]

Originally Posted by Will

1) ...he supports MASSIVE individual income tax reduction and corporate tax reduction.

2) And he represents an opportunity to EXPAND the Republican Party. If only the snobs would let him and not cancel out all the new voters he is attracting by throwing a temper-tantrum.

1) Why did he say he would punish U.S. companies for moving overseas? If he knew what he was talking about, or were intellectually honest, he would state that U.S. companies are relocating BECAUSE they're already being punished. That was kind of the beginning of the end for me as far as my vote goes.

2) Expand? He appeals to angry white guys; just because he's encouraging more of them to vote...I don't think that's going to be enough; but I have to admit, he's making a move in Ohio, which is encouraging for his supporters.

And calling it a "tantrum", as if you think you're somehow going to shame people into supporting him is pretty dumb; it is not beneath you to admit that most of us aren't not supporting him for completely legitimate reasons. I'm not voting for him for the same reason I'm not voting for Billary.

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Originally Posted by Drew M

You buffoons are still going on about this shit? lol.

No shit. Political junkies are insufferable bores. Don't you guys like snatch? Cars? WTF is RONG with yoose?!

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by Thomas

No shit. Political junkies are insufferable bores. Don't you guys like snatch? Cars? WTF is RONG with yoose?!

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Originally Posted by boracayjohnny

Would bang!

#GAPTOOTHHOLOVESTHED

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by Hoog

You realize GJ has been the nominee of his party since before the other two had mathematically locked up, let alone received, their party's nomination, right?

are you capable of realizing as well ?

GJ wasn't coming out of anyones lips here (in a serious manor) until the D & R nominations were finalized.

Many are supporting Johnson the candidate; but have not been seriously supporting his party; for the years & years it takes to build a formidable political force. The best way to help form a new political party is to openly support them - over many election cycles.

Coming on board late - after you've decided to not back either of the main two... is not going to help cement this 3rd parties foothold into American politics.

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by Thomas

Would bang!

#GAPTOOTHHOLOVESTHED

I posted that just for you.

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by Thomas

Don't you guys like snatch? Cars? WTF is RONG with yoose?!

right back at-cha:

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

are you capable of realizing as well ?

GJ wasn't coming out of anyones lips here (in a serious manor) until the D & R nominations were finalized.

Many are supporting Johnson the candidate; but have not been seriously supporting his party; for the years & years it takes to build a formidable political force. The best way to help form a new political party is to openly support them - over many election cycles.

Coming on board late - after you've decided to not back either of the main two... is not going to help cement this 3rd parties foothold into American politics.

Concentric circular logic....impressive.

[78SA]

A 3rd or 4th or 5th party needs to get name recognition built to be able to seriously vie for the vote. That isn't done without time and getting the media to focus on you as much as they do the 2 main parties.

[78SA]

When I mentioned Gary Johnson at work 6 months ago no one knew who I was talking about. Most still don't know anything more than I have told them. A diehard Democrat is going to vote for Trump, and another diehard Obama and Clinton fan doesn't like Trump but seems to have stepped back from supporting Clinton. He would love to have a third choice he could approve of.

Trump wasn't my first choice because I didn't like him. I have since learned more about him and even though he sometimes says things that make me cringe, I have come to see he supports the American people and wants what is best for us.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Thomas

No shit. Political junkies are insufferable bores. Don't you guys like snatch? Cars? WTF is RONG with yoose?!

Hillary Clinton Prepares For Her DNC Speech - YouTube

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by 78SA

When I mentioned Gary Johnson at work 6 months ago no one knew who I was talking about.

an independant political party will never gain traction as long as others only use them during unusual instances of "I don't like either the R or D candidate this time around."

It has to be: "I always vote for the __________ (fill in blank - 3rd party) candidate, because I am a supporting member of that political party.

Right now, GJ (and his party) are only being considered "what ifs"... to a lot of voters

"what if I can't support either the Republican or Democrat candidate this time?"

"Well, you can always vote third party."

Yet, these occasional crossover 3rd party swayers... then want to blame you for the poor performance of these independant parties.

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

It has to be: "I always vote for the __________ (fill in blank - 3rd party) candidate, because I am a supporting member of that political party.

No, it doesn't. That is exactly what your "party politics" indoctrination has taught you, and taught you well.

[Will]

Hoog, why don't you want to Make America Great Again???

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by Hoog

That is exactly what your "party politics" indoctrination has taught you, and taught you well.

I am the least "indoctrinated" of almost everyone here. Your answer is moot - for anyone that knows me. Are you now just trying to be a dick about everything ?

Registered voters (that picked a political party) are - as of October 2014 - 42% registered as Democrats and 39% as Republicans. That leaves 19% to be either independant or belonging to a 3rd party.

The parties with the most "membership/followers" are the ones with the vast majorities of votes (see the above mentioned factual count). The data is there; the reason these 3rd partys don't win national elections is that they don't have enough devoted supporters to carry them through year to year.

It doesn't help them gain ground with occasional "drive-by" voters... who rarely look that parties direction.