hoa madness: got a complaint about flying a Gadsden flag

[Mick]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

Update:

Received E-mail from hoa.




Glad this resolved amicably. Note, I am not, and never claimed to have served, just that a relative had served. Don't know where that came from.

I think they covered that here:

We did not mean any disrespect to you or your family.

I'm glad that cooler heads prevailed here!

[MadInNc]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

I would be interested in putting up a bat house, a small one, and I have occasionally seen bats around, but wonder if that would have a deleterious effect on bees. My watermelon vines were prolific this year, but I only got maybe a dozen melons, rarely saw a bee anywhere around, even though there were plenty of flowers for them to pollinate. I suspect the pollination that did occur was mostly from a few wasps that like to hang out in the area.

Bill, checkout this YouTube video. Bats and bees are on different daily schedules

Will bats eat my bees? - YouTube

[Strats-N-Vettes]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

Glad this resolved amicably.
Note, I am not, and never claimed to have served, just that a relative had served.

Don't know where that came from.

I do.
Total incompetence from their personnel is the answer of where it came from.

"Our inspector did not recognize the flag..."
"our deed violation coordinator did not either..."


They send out infractions before knowing facts is all too common these days...in everything.

[Allan]

Originally Posted by ZipZap

Many HOA's have adopted a "no political display" position, and I'm pretty sure that your HOA sees this as political. Whatever you do, make sure you have a sound reason to display this particular pattern.

There is a guy who recently won a battle to display a thin blue line flag. His son was killed in the line of duty, so he has a strong reason to display the flag as a tribute to his son.

Good luck

Where was this? Link?
I know of a similar incident in Central OH.
It's in federal court and injunction against HOA so No fines until case is resolved

The National Police Association files federal lawsuit against HOA for banning the Thin Blue Line flag
NEWS PROVIDED BY

National Police Association
May 04, 2022, 09:00 ET

INDIANAPOLIS, May 4, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- In 2021 Joseph J. Swantack, Jr., and Christine M. Swantack, of New Albany, OH were confronted by their home owner's association (HOA) regarding the Thin Blue Line flag they displayed in support of law enforcement. They were assessed fines and threatened with litigation if they refused to remove the flag flying outside their front door.

Thin Blue Line flag flown at the Swantack residence.
The National Police Association, having previously successfully intervened on behalf of a Colorado homeowner with their HOA regarding a Thin Blue Line flag, contacted the Swantacks and offered assistance. Contacts with the HOA seeking a mutually agreeable voluntary outcome were in this case unsuccessful.

According to James Bopp Jr. of The Bopp Law Firm of Terre Haute, Indiana, counsel for Plaintiffs, "HOA covenants that prohibit the display of the Thin Blue Line flag are in violation of the First Amendment and the threats by the HOA to enforce their prohibition in court are without merit."

Sgt. Betsy Brantner Smith (Ret), the spokesperson for the National Police Association, says: "Although this matter is purely a question of law, more broadly the Thin Blue Line in all its forms has come under attack from anti-police activists who seek to eliminate any symbol of support for law enforcement. You'll note when parties have been able to ban the Thin Blue Line as a symbol of support for law enforcement they rarely provide an alternative symbol of support they will permit. That's because there aren't any."

The case is 1:22-cv-00237 National Police Association, Inc. et al v. New Albany Park Condominium Association Board of Directors et al, in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Ohio Eastern Division.

The case:
https://nationalpolice.org/main/wp-c...tors-et-al.pdf

[Allan]

New Ariz. law prevents HOAs from banning thin blue line flags The law protects flags that support first responders, regardless of HOA regulations
Jun 10, 2022
By Suzie Ziegler

PHOENIX — A new Arizona law will allow homeowners to fly flags that support police and other first responders – even if their HOA has rules against flying such flags, 12 News reported. Gov. Doug Ducey signed HB2010 into law on Monday.

State Rep. John Kavanagh says he was inspired to write the bill after a homeowner told him their HOA wouldn’t let them fly a flag supporting first responders.

“A lot of people want to express their appreciation to these first responders by flying the flag, but a small number of HOA’s prohibit it,” Kavanagh told 12 News. “This bill states they can’t do that. People have a First Amendment right to honor our heroes.”

The law bans HOA regulations on flags that honor the country, military, first responders and law enforcement, according to the report. The Arizona law comes as some HOA members in other states say they’ve been told to remove thin blue line flags, including the father of a slain officer in Ohio.
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For those of you who oppose this flag, 2 words suffice . . .

[ptindall]

Originally Posted by Allan

For those of you who oppose this flag, 2 words suffice . . .

What two words are those? As previously posted, I oppose this flag and all the thin line flags. The Unites States flag is to represent the United States, not to be co-opted for your own interest group. Make up any other flag design to represent Police.

[04 commemorative]

I also have to agree....

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

Update:

Received E-mail from hoa.




Glad this resolved amicably. Note, I am not, and never claimed to have served, just that a relative had served. Don't know where that came from.

"Bruce?" Fag. 99.99% chance Bruce is a fudge packer.

[Rodnok1]

Originally Posted by ptindall

What two words are those? As previously posted, I oppose this flag and all the thin line flags. The Unites States flag is to represent the United States, not to be co-opted for your own interest group. Make up any other flag design to represent Police.

I can see your point, a dedicated flag such as mia/pow is needed I think.

[Norm]

Originally Posted by ptindall

What two words are those? As previously posted, I oppose this flag and all the thin line flags. The Unites States flag is to represent the United States, not to be co-opted for your own interest group. Make up any other flag design to represent Police.

I have both of these flags affixed for display in my garage, I fly neither outside for public viewing.

[Bill]

Update: I've been flying a "Come and Take It" flag ever since Texas Independence Day. I meant to just put it up for the day, but have been too lazy to take it down.

YouTube

[Allan]

Originally Posted by ricks327

If the ACLU won't do anything, write a letter to the Texas Attorney General. Or contact a local TV station investigative reporter.

^ ^ ^ ^
this

[PLRX]

I do not need anyone to tell me when to mow my grass, how to paint my front door, and to remind me to clean solar panels to save the earth.

Like G. Carlin said, "Earth has tolerated bigger things than plastic bags."

[theandies]

You're first problem is you live in a neighborhood with an HOA. No ****ing way I'd ever live under an HOA. Matter of fact my wife and I told our realtor when we bought our current house to don't even bother showing anything that has an HOA.

[Vette40th]

Originally Posted by DAB

you spend your money fighting your case, and they spend your money fighting against you....

Same thing as the Federal Gov.. That is why they are willing to prolong everything. They personally make more money

[Frankie the Fink]

I've been on an HOA board and that is a fair assessment, you have the extremes of the Gestapo vs the Bubbas. A thankless job and most participants have ZERO leadership abilities. I quit after the Board thought a rope swing in a resident's yard for kids to play was a worse violation than 18" high grass and rusty, old water heaters in somebody's yard.

Then there are the idiots that think an HOA is civil court wanting it to settle property line disputes, etc..

[6spdC6]

It would have to be very extreme circumstances that would put me into a HOA type group. Up here on the lake they are a few beach associations, just as bad except our beaches are only used for a few months each year. (Thank god I have my own private beach and dock)

Had a couple friends that were in HOA developments. It appears they get Frank Burns (Mash) types running the show. They can be just as chicken shit as the mods on another forum I used to post in!

[DDSLT5]

Originally Posted by 6spdC6

Had a couple friends that were in HOA developments. It appears they get Frank Burns (Mash) types running the show. They can be just as chicken shit as the mods on another forum I used to post in!

You speak the truth my friend. Chicken shit indeed.

[BRUIZER]

Originally Posted by Old Ben

ICNLT

People are a pain in the ass. That's why I built out in the County on acreage.

Fixed it.