Tucker Carlson in Moscow…. Why?

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Vette40th

USA and Russia can be great allies again.
Comment made on twitter.
I think its true.
Many political moves after WW2 caused the cold war.

If you watched the second, much shorter after interview snippet with Tucker, he talks about that. Russia, although Eastern European, and physically at least partially in Asia, is a Western nation. He didn't say it, but it's a predominantly WHITE Western nation, and should have been brought into the fold of NATO....a group of White, Western, Christian nations banded together for mutual defense.

Tucker notes that Putin is mad about the fact that after the fall of the Soviet Union, the West still treated them like an enemy, instead of bringing them into the fold with the former com-block countries like Poland and Hungary.

Trump said this, too. Remember? He correctly identified China, not Russia as the actual threat. We should have embraced Russia, but the Marxist left was having none of it, and ramped up the Russian boogieman narrative up to eleven. With Russia have shared cultural history. We listen to Brahms, and Bach, but also to Tchaikovsky and Rimsky-Korsakov.

The issue now is, maybe we are too late. Both America and Western Europe are actively destroying their White, Christian identities. The thing that we have in common with Russia is slipping away at an alarming pace.

[Vette40th]

Originally Posted by KenHorse

Putin wants to revive the Soviet Union though

They were an ally before. Not saying I can trust them. But cimpares to France, Germany and maybe England, I have more trust

[KenHorse]

Originally Posted by Vette40th

They were an ally before. Not saying I can trust them. But cimpares to France, Germany and maybe England, I have more trust

We had a common foe in the 40's.

We don't have that now

[Vette40th]

Originally Posted by KenHorse

We had a common foe in the 40's.

We don't have that now

We do have some common foes, but they are people and groups not part of a country

[Bill]

Originally Posted by KenHorse

Putin wants to revive the Soviet Union though

Does he? Or does he simply want a buffer of client states between Russia and NATO, the same NATO, that apparently kept snubbing Russia after the Cold War ended. Keep in mind, it is NATO that keeps doing the expansion eastward. It seems reasonable that, after the US successfully regime changed the Ukraine in 2014 , the Maidan coup, and the more recently overtures between the Ukraine and NATO for the Ukraine to become a member of NATO.....I can see how Russia would feel threatened, AND pissed off.

I didn't take everything Putin had to say as gospel, I'm sure he, a trained propagandist, spun a story for us, but I believe much of that story was birthed in truth. It made sense. He explains that with 1,000 km's of border with China, they kind of have to get along. Checks out. Shit, he gave a contemporaneous half hour history lesson, complete with names, places, and dates. I'm sure that would be easy to fact check, and I haven't seen anyone pick that apart.

Only our prior presidents, Bush and Clinton, can confirm or deny that they talked peace and friendship, only to be rebuffed by our "security services." And frankly, I don't trust word of Bush or Clinton more than I trust Putin.

[KenHorse]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

Does he? Or does he simply want a buffer of client states between Russia and NATO, the same NATO, that apparently kept snubbing Russia after the Cold War ended. Keep in mind, it is NATO that keeps doing the expansion eastward. It seems reasonable that, after the US successfully regime changed the Ukraine in 2014 , the Maidan coup, and the more recently overtures between the Ukraine and NATO for the Ukraine to become a member of NATO.....I can see how Russia would feel threatened, AND pissed off.

I didn't take everything Putin had to say as gospel, I'm sure he, a trained propagandist, spun a story for us, but I believe much of that story was birthed in truth. It made sense. He explains that with 1,000 km's of border with China, they kind of have to get along. Checks out. Shit, he gave a contemporaneous half hour history lesson, complete with names, places, and dates. I'm sure that would be easy to fact check, and I haven't seen anyone pick that apart.

Only our prior presidents, Bush and Clinton, can confirm or deny that they talked peace and friendship, only to be rebuffed by our "security services." And frankly, I don't trust word of Bush or Clinton more than I trust Putin.

In the past, he's lamented about the fall of the Soviet Union and expressed desire to see it again

[Bill]

Originally Posted by KenHorse

In the past, he's lamented about the fall of the Soviet Union and expressed desire to see it again

Well, question....do you REALLY believe that he's going to, say, invade Poland? Poland would be the natural first stop on his world domination tour. You really see that as a possibility? That would trigger a MANDATORY response from every NATO country. Mandatory.

Do you seriously believe that Russia would do that? They have their buffer, Belarus, that has no problem allowing Russian troops and war materiel to transit through, so they could physically invade Poland if they chose to do so. But you really think that's a possibility?

I think the more likely possibility is, that as Western Europe becomes overrun and overtaken with Africans and Muslims, at some point, the former Eastern Bloc countries like Hungary, Poland, Slovenia, etc. would voluntarily ditch NATO and seek out Russia for protection against an invasion force of Africans and Muslims. THAT is the more likely possibility, and that may ultimately be how Russia gets the band back together. Mutual defense from the West that committed cultural suicide.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

I'm neutral about it. As a nation, we should be neutral about it.

This picking and choosing who should be supported and who should be ignored is BS.

Palestine invades Israel and we tell Israel, "Hey, dial your retaliation back a bit".

Russia invades Ukraine and we send billions of dollars.

Bingo. Just because something bad happens somewhere, that shouldn't automatically trigger a feeding of US tax dollars to that area, like Pavlov's dog and the bell ringing.

Pay for your own shit. We're broke.

[z06psi]

If you are an American and actually care where this country is headed then you should watch the entire 2 hours of the interview.

If you don't then it is obvious you only have an agenda or a mind that is closed.

It's that simple.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

I'm neutral about it. As a nation, we should be neutral about it.

This picking and choosing who should be supported and who should be ignored is BS.

Palestine invades Israel and we tell Israel, "Hey, dial your retaliation back a bit".

Russia invades Ukraine and we send billions of dollars.

We created Israel and thus have an obligation to it. We have no obligation to Russia.

[Bill]

[LATB]

None of the Russia / Ukraine crap should be any of our damn business. Why does the American taxpayers have to police the world. What other countries are stepping up to protect our border and the current invasion?

[Dan47]

Dollar hegemony is the “why” our military is deployed all over the world. The “exorbitant privilege” that cost U.S. citizens a large portion of their manufacturing, created the “rust belt” and supercharged the welfare state.

That privilege is coming to an end and a ridiculous amount of unfunded, monetary promises are going to be coming to an end with it. I think these are the good ole days, we’ll be fondly remembering as Time unfolds.

[stingraymyway]

To ask the questions others won’t and to make liberals heads explode.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Dan47

Dollar hegemony is the “why” our military is deployed all over the world. The “exorbitant privilege” that cost U.S. citizens a large portion of their manufacturing, created the “rust belt” and supercharged the welfare state.

That privilege is coming to an end and a ridiculous amount of unfunded, monetary promises are going to be coming to an end with it. I think these are the good ole days, we’ll be fondly remembering as Time unfolds.

Excellent post.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

We created Israel and thus have an obligation to it. We have no obligation to Russia.

My parents created me, but after a couple decades, they didn't see the need to keep on paying for me. I had to stand on my own two feet. And I certainly wouldn't have wanted them to keep on going in debt for me. When I wanted to buy a house, I borrowed my own money.

Israel has a lower debt to GDP ratio than the US does. They should borrow their own money.

[Tikiman]

Originally Posted by Taurus

Ken, you want me to cite a couple issues where I feel Trump has damaged America, OK. I don't know why I bother because nothing I say HERE matters, I won't change anyone's mind and you won't change mine so I have those discussions elsewhere but here's something to consider in my opinion.

All of Trump's whining and crying and accusations without basis and temper tantrums at government agencies/officials and the media have destroyed America's confidence in anything. Here's a scary fact, in 2016 75% of Republicans trusted the media and information put out by government agencies, in 2020 that number was 35%. That's on Trump.

And for that he should receive a medal. Thank God somebody opened American's eyes to the fact that the mainstream media are nothing but shills and mouthpieces for the communist left and that everything they report are lies. He opened their eyes to that and now their ratings are reflecting it. Should have happened long ago. Leave it to a leftist to consider that a "scary fact". How about the fact that our media is corrupt is scary?

Originally Posted by Taurus

Forget the fact we'll never be able to have an election without a loser crying RIGGED ever again.

Apparently, denying election results is only fine when it is a democrat doing it. Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, Stacey Abrams, etc... all come to mind. Funny how none of them were ever prosecuted for it. But damn! Trump cries foul and "now we'll never be able to have an election without a loser crying RIGGED". That mean old Trump.

[Tikiman]

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[z06psi]

I did an actual fact check of the history Putin laid out to include treaties and agreements all the way up to 2013.

He was correct in everything he stated.

Then at the accusations he leveraged against Bush Sr., Bush Jr., Clinton, Obama, Gates, and Rice.

NATO membership was asked for and denied (fact). Why?

CIA involved in Chechnya and Georgia (fact).

NATO expansion after 1991 fall of the Soviet Union (fact).

The only one I could not verify was the missile defense statement. However, with so many facts already stated why would he lie?

Some of you are helpless if you cannot see what is going on.

We are intentionally keeping a boogeyman on the hook for defense spending and the propagation of it across the world.

It is sickening and is uncitizen-like (Freedom and Liberty) to support it.

The house of cards is coming down when the dollar falls and all of you will look with a stupid ****ing look on your face when it does.

[Vette40th]

Brent Wood was a big one for the Soviet Union/Russia. Turned many against them for not towing the line.