Trump lead in polls is increasing

[Taurus]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

Joe never had permission to remove them in the first place. Yet they magically appeared, in his garage and at the Chinese backed university Brandon gets a check from, but does no work at. And more to the point, PENCE had classified documents, too. And he, too, wasn't supposed to take them home. You know how you know Pence is dirty? Because they aren't going after Pence. They NEVER went after Pence.

It's making it easy to see who is on your team.....if the Brandon regime went after people, they're solid America First folks, people to be trusted. Those that incredibly were left alone? They were spying snakes, or they were bribed Kari Lake style, or they were coerced with the threat of, what, Harrison Deal style car bombs? Notice how Georgia Governor Kemp suddenly switched teams after his future son in law got blown up?

Trump, Bush, Obama, Clinton, Ford, Nixon, etc.....they all had a right to remove classified info. Obama is hiding all kinds of classified shit right now, claiming it will be in his presidential library that, hey, hasn't been built yet, and probably won't be built, because what better way to keep all that classified shit from being recovered.

Classified documents? It's yet ANOTHER bullshit lawfare abuse by the Brandon regime. It's banana republic shit.

Neither Biden, Pence or Trump were charged with taking them, two gave them back voluntarily one did not. Had it gone down like this:

DOJ: Hello Mr. Trump, we've been told you have some documents that belong to the government and we want them back.

Trump: They're mine and I deserve to keep them.

DOJ: No they are not yours and we want them back.

Trump: OK fine.

Guess what, no indictment.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Taurus

Neither Biden, Pence or Trump were charged with taking them, two gave them back voluntarily one did not. Had it gone down like this:

DOJ: Hello Mr. Trump, we've been told you have some documents that belong to the government and we want them back.

Trump: They're mine and I deserve to keep them.

DOJ: No they are not yours and we want them back.

Trump: OK fine.

Guess what, no indictment.

It's a 14th Amendment issue.....Trump is required to get equal treatment under the law. O6ama didn't return his classified shit, he's hiding it claiming it's in storage for the museum. If you want to charge Trump, you MUST charge O6ama first, otherwise, GTFO, it's just political bullshit. No different than a corrupt racist cop letting White drivers pass unmolested, while stopping black drivers for not signaling 100 feet before their turns. "Sorry sir, you only signaled 75' before your turn....here''s your ticket.

It's that level of chicken shit bullshit, everybody knows it, which is why half the country could give a crap less. It's haranguing a political rival....lawfare. That's it.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbu...h=2531dd8418b9

[Taurus]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

It's a 14th Amendment issue.....Trump is required to get equal treatment under the law. O6ama didn't return his classified shit, he's hiding it claiming it's in storage for the museum. If you want to charge Trump, you MUST charge O6ama first, otherwise, GTFO, it's just political bullshit. No different than a corrupt racist cop letting White drivers pass unmolested, while stopping black drivers for not signaling 100 feet before their turns. "Sorry sir, you only signaled 75' before your turn....here''s your ticket.

It's that level of chicken shit bullshit, everybody knows it, which is why half the country could give a crap less. It's haranguing a political rival....lawfare. That's it.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbu...h=2531dd8418b9

Bill it's just more blah, blah, blah poor Donald.

All he had to do is admit he had them and made his case to keep them and let the courts decide. But what did he do? He lied about having them. He had his lawyers create fake paperwork stating he didn't have any and had his people hide them as well as had his security folks delete the video. Those are the actions of a dishonest man.

This is on him, no one else.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Taurus

Bill it's just more blah, blah, blah poor Donald.

All he had to do is admit he had them and made his case to keep them and let the courts decide. But what did he do? He lied about having them. He had his lawyers create fake paperwork stating he didn't have any and had his people hide them as well as had his security folks delete the video. Those are the actions of a dishonest man.

This is on him, no one else.

And no one cares. Well, except for those who hate him and will use anything possible to hurt him, his family, his business, and most importantly...his campaign.

[Aerovette]

I think Jon is bucking for Rachel Maddow's job.

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by Taurus

Joe voluntarily notified the feds and returned them when found. He also allowed a complete search if his home and offices. Trump obstructed the DOJ from getting them back. Trump was not charged with taking them either.

Please reply to the concern that depends joe STOLE documents while a congressman.

Also, we can argue about joe notifiying feds, I believe the documents were found in three or four separtate places, I do not believe he told them about ALL.
I am also 100% CERTAIN that none of the found documents were stored in a manner consistent with requirements.

You do not possess objectivity when discussing TRUMP, depends joe has committed MANY treasonous crimes that are being ignored.
One that does not get mentioned is how much did his son know, from the father, that was HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL and shared with his business partners and foreign governments.
No one hired or paid crackhead worst son for his skills or business acumen, they all wanted the same thing.

[Onebadcad]

A great read for those who character possesses objectivity:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbu...h=7303b7f718b9

Not Just Trump And Biden: Every Administration Since Reagan Mishandled Classified Records, National Archives Finds

May 17, 2023,05:03pm EDT

Every U.S. presidential administration since the 1980s has mishandled classified documents, according to testimony from a National Archives and Records Administration official released Wednesday—after the discovery of classified documents at the homes of President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump led to two federal probes.

Mark Bradley, the director of the National Arhive’s Information Security Oversight Office, told the House Intelligence Committee the office has found boxes of classified information in unclassified containers from every administration since the Reagan Administration, according to a report, which the committee voted to release Wednesday.

Since 2010, the National Archives have received calls from roughly 80 libraries that have received classified papers sent from lawmakers, including members of Congress, Bradley said.

The National Archives had reportedly requested former presidents and vice presidents review their personal records for sensitive material, after boxes of classified documents were found in Biden and Trump’s possession—though representatives and aides to former presidents George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama told CNN in January the former presidents did not keep classified records.

[z06psi]

Originally Posted by cptlo306

Sigh...I don't understand why this is so confusing to so many people.

Just because Trump wasn't guilty in some instances doesn't mean he isn't guilty in others. I'm not stating that Trump is guilty. I don't know and nobody knows for sure at this point. I'm simply stating that it is possible he is guilty and how the case was brought won't change that.

Sigh.......

Two statements.

1. You are looking for him to be guilty. Bias

2. Show me the man and I will show you the crime.

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by LATB

And no one cares. Well, except for those who hate him and will use anything possible to hurt him, his family, his business, and most importantly...his campaign.

So much shit has been thrown at Trump from Jump Street from fake Russian Collusion to the fake Jan 6 insurrection to trysts he had with gold-digging women 30 years ago when he was single to the racist, agenda-driven judge he's dealing with now that NOBODYwho is a conservative gives a shit or is even paying attention. We don't care. It's just MORE STATIC.

What we do know is that if Trump gets railroaded, WE are next. He is what is standing between socialism and us, the patriots of this country. If Trump goes to prison, it's only the beginning of a long and bloody Civil War. This is exactly how tyranny gets a foothold, and us Conservatives are not going to have it. Not in OUR country.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

So much shit has been thrown at Trump from Jump Street from fake Russian Collusion to the fake Jan 6 insurrection to trysts he had with gold-digging women 30 years ago when he was single to the racist, agenda-driven judge he's dealing with now that NOBODYwho is a conservative gives a shit or is even paying attention. We don't care. It's just MORE STATIC.

What we do know is that if Trump gets railroaded, WE are next. He is what is standing between socialism and us, the patriots of this country. If Trump goes to prison, it's only the beginning of a long and bloody Civil War. This is exactly how tyranny gets a foothold, and us Conservatives are not going to have it. Not in OUR country.

If they literally lock Trump up I’m afraid the events to follow will make January 6 look like a “Transit Authority” song.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by cptlo306

The election won't be postponed.

It was March when they shut down the world and immediately mail in voting became a thing. We still have a month and a half until the next crisis hits, altering our elections for the Dems.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by cptlo306

Funny that you only bring up one case...one of the weakest. Now do the documents case. And the Georgia case.

Neither are worthy of any analysis. The "documents case" has already been shown to be a nothing burger. Just political theater to continue to attempt to prosecute. The Georgia case is little more than saying the 1st Amendment no longer exists, which maybe the SC will decide it doesn't, but if it does still exist, just another nothing burger.

But I note the things I called out above don't bother you at all. I wonder if they would bother you if it was a liberal that was being persecuted this way?

Edited to add: FWIW, I think DJT is a scumbag of a person for a wide variety of reasons. Despite that, I don't want to live in the modern version of Stalinist Russia, so this all would piss me off no matter what the political position of the person is.

[z06psi]

Originally Posted by cptlo306

Funny that you only bring up one case...one of the weakest. Now do the documents case. And the Georgia case.

As a long time and current TS(SCI) holder my opinion on what I understand.

Trump did nothing wrong. It's a noise case.


Atlanta case? Spotlight case for Fani. Pure and simple and if it goes to court there could be a lot of evidentiary stuff the Dems do not want out there.
It will materialize into nothing.


All of it is Kabuki theater.

[z06psi]

Originally Posted by LATB

If they literally lock Trump up I’m afraid the events to follow will make January 6 look like a “Transit Authority” song.

My prediction.

Trump will be found guilty of a felony by a kangaroo court before the election to disqualify him.

He will win on appeal but the appeal will be after the election.

The left will win the election based on that and he will never spend a minute in jail. Because their cases are weak and have no basis but putting him in jail is not the point. Making him not run in an election is.

[LATB]

My prediction:

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by z06psi

My prediction.

Trump will be found guilty of a felony by a kangaroo court before the election to disqualify him.

He will win on appeal but the appeal will be after the election.

The left will win the election based on that and he will never spend a minute in jail. Because their cases are weak and have no basis but putting him in jail is not the point. Making him not run in an election is.

From what I understand (and it's being discussed in the local news here) there is no disqualification in being found guilty of a felony as far as being President. Trump could legally, according to the Constitution, run the country from a prison cell if elected. And you can BET we will elect him, no matter what bullshit the communists come up with.

[cptlo306]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

From what I understand (and it's being discussed in the local news here) there is no disqualification in being found guilty of a felony as far as being President. Trump could legally, according to the Constitution, run the country from a prison cell if elected. And you can BET we will elect him, no matter what bullshit the communists come up with.

Polls have shown that many people, even Republicans and many Trump supporters, won't vote for him if he is convicted. He can't win in that situation.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by cptlo306

Polls have shown that many people, even Republicans and many Trump supporters, won't vote for him if he is convicted. He can't win in that situation.

True, but I'll have the satisfaction of making sure that a globalist uniparty R doesn't win, either. We'll all watch the end of our country together. I think I speak for the vast majority of Trump supporters here.

Do you remember the scene in The Planet of the Apes when the underground mutant humans worshiped the bomb? They knew it was just a matter of time before they were overrun, and the A-bomb was their last play. Salt the Earth, kill everybody, apes and humans alike, vs. face a world where they're dead or wish they were dead anyway.

America as we all knew it when we were growing up no longer exists, and its circling the drain fast. Pennsylvania is trying to put an Amish farmer out of business for selling food people want to buy. That's not an anomaly. We're not going to be able to recover from this.

All Trump can do is stave off the inevitable for a few years. So whether he wins or loses, the outcome is the same.

[Raazor]

Originally Posted by cptlo306

Polls have shown that many people, even Republicans and many Trump supporters, won't vote for him if he is convicted. He can't win in that situation.

[Raazor]

If held today, Trump wins.