WTF?? Important message about the future of Vette Barn - Page 2

Will · 03-02-2018, 9:22am

That Donald Trump. I mean, what a Nazi!

NO TRUMP. NO KKK. NO FASCIST USA!!!
NO TRUMP. NO KKK. NO FASCIST USA!!!
NO TRUMP. NO KKK. NO FASCIST USA!!!
NO TRUMP. NO KKK. NO FASCIST USA!!!
NO TRUMP. NO KKK. NO FASCIST USA!!!

Any-hoo, people who wouldn't date a transgender WOMAN are filthy bigots. If you wouldn't let a beautiful woman put her feminine penis inside of you, you need psychiatric help and also to have your guns taken away for obvious mental illness.

Thunder22 · 03-02-2018, 9:27am

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Originally Posted by Nox

It wouldn’t save anything. The way VBulletin is configured, subforums don’t cost any more or any less. The license for VBulletin allows you to create as many subforums as you’d like. The cost is going to be domain name registration and webhosting. Webhosting costs are always a crapshoot. Even though you can get really cheap deals now on unmetered traffic, you basically get what you pay for in CPU timeslice on a shared server and also support. Some webhosts will go as far as kicking your forum off their server if your traffic becomes too high. A dedicated server would solve that, but that will increase your costs. I suspect, a forum like Vettebarn would do ok on basic unmetered webhosting such as Hostgator, so the outlay would be the cost of the webhosting and annual domain registration.

i use hostmonster for my sites/domains and I'm on dedicated. Might be worth a look as their costs are very inexpensive.

Nox · 03-02-2018, 9:38am

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Originally Posted by Thunder22

i use hostmonster for my sites/domains and I'm on dedicated. Might be worth a look as their costs are very inexpensive.

Well, I just checked with Hostmonster. Their Dedicated Server costs range from $79 to $119 per month. That would seem a little high for a non-revenue generating site.

Thunder22 · 03-02-2018, 9:49am

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Originally Posted by Nox

Well, I just checked with Hostmonster. Their Dedicated Server costs range from $79 to $119 per month. That would seem a little high for a non-revenue generating site.

let me look at what service i have, i'm not paying even close to that.

Nox · 03-02-2018, 10:00am

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Originally Posted by Thunder22

let me look at what service i have, i'm not paying even close to that.

I think you are confusing a *dedicated* IP address with *dedicated* server. Even a VPS on Hostmonster runs $20 to $60 a month. A dedicated server is a far cry from a dedicated IP address. They aren’t even the same thing.

However, I seriously, doubt Vettebarn actually needs a dedicated server. I have no idea what the bandwidth is, but guaranteed uptime is not really a concern for a non-revenue generating site.

Mike Mercury · 03-02-2018, 10:11am

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Originally Posted by DAB

It said the Barn is for sale, as Gary can no longer afford to support it.

to be more accurate... the Barn is for sale, as Gary is no longer wanting to operate it.

The main crux as I understand is that the reason is more of "burned out, someone else needs to take over"... and not as much of "can't afford $$$ it".

Sure, we can come up with the funds needed to pay for VB operation... but someone would also need take-over full responsibility (management of) as well.

Summary:
The issue is not all financial...

DAB · 03-02-2018, 10:27am

last i heard here, there were over 100 peeps who were contributing 25/year to help cover costs. that's over 2500/year, or about 200/month. so that would seem to cover the above cost guesses nicely.

as for buying the site, since it has no ads, and produces no revenue, it would be valued in the market place at zero. you only pay money for things that will produce income going forward. you figure out what cap rate you want and work backwards.

for example, if something produces 1000/year, and you assign a cap rate of 10%, then you value that enterprise at 1000/0.10 = 10,000.

but the numerator for this site is 0.00. so no matter what cap rate you assign, the value is still zero.

i know nothing about website operation or design, but i do value the little group we have built up here.

Bill · 03-02-2018, 10:36am

I saw the thread. It basically said that Gary was running at a loss and wanted to sell it or make some other arrangement, otherwise, would shut it down. If this was run at a loss, I wish we had been made aware of that earlier.

I'd be willing to kick in more to keep the doors open, I'm sure others would too, but we need to know the particulars of what we are talking about. If it would be cheaper go with a different service as has been suggested in this thread, that would be germane, too. Also, would anyone see a problem with just starting fresh with a different hosting service? That would save us from zombie threads, if nothing else.

I don't know anything about the behind the scenes stuff, so I wouldn't be much help, but I want to pay my share for our little group W bench on the internet.

Having said all that, in case it hasn't been said, I appreciate Gary keeping the doors open all these years.

Nox · 03-02-2018, 11:10am

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Originally Posted by bill_daniels

Also, would anyone see a problem with just starting fresh with a different hosting service? That would save us from zombie threads, if nothing else.

There is really no reason why one would have to “start fresh.” I’ve run a revenue generating e-commerce site with attached forum for close to 20 years and I have moved hosts a half a dozen times without losing any content. All you have to do is move the files over and point to the new name servers and you are back up and running as if nothing happened.

If he is running on a VPS or dedicated server now, he should consider just moving to a shared host which costs a lot less.. like $5 to $10 a month.

Sea Six · 03-02-2018, 11:11am

Most of those barn stalls have not been renewed. I don't know how many are currently paid up (mine is) but I doubt it's 20% of what was originally assigned.

DAB · 03-02-2018, 11:12am

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Originally Posted by Sea Six

Most of those barn stalls have not been renewed. I don't know how many are currently paid up (mine is) but I doubt it's 20% of what was originally assigned.

i paid for 2 years last year.

Sea Six · 03-02-2018, 11:14am

Who here would be willing to kick in $1000 per year to keep this place up and running?

I'm in.

I can't do the technical stuff to keep the site going though. Hopefully someone like Y2K could continue doing it.

04 commemorative · 03-02-2018, 11:15am

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Originally Posted by DAB

It said the Barn is for sale, as Gary can no longer afford to support it.

what he said

also maybe we could all become owners if we found out cost and could work it out.....I see a nudie section in our future

Nox · 03-02-2018, 11:15am

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Originally Posted by Sea Six

Who here would be willing to kick in $1000 per year to keep this place up and running?

I'm in.

I can't do the technical stuff to keep the site going though. Hopefully someone like Y2K could continue doing it.

I’m not seeing $1,000. You could run this site for $150 a year.

marrepka · 03-02-2018, 11:17am

I lurk more than I post, but I'd pony up to keep it running for us.

Sea Six · 03-02-2018, 11:19am

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Originally Posted by Nox

I’m not seeing $1,000. You could run this site for $150 a year.

I have it on good authority that The Vette Barn is currently costing about $3000 per year to run.

You certain about your numbers? I know nothing of these things.

04 commemorative · 03-02-2018, 11:21am

Depending on price I could do something I suppose.

Nox · 03-02-2018, 11:27am

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Originally Posted by Sea Six

I have it on good authority that The Vette Barn is currently costing about $3000 per year to run.

You certain about your numbers? I know nothing of these things.

I’m 100% certain... I just looked at some of the usage statistics. Vettebarn has 4,421 users of whom 305 are currently active. As a comparison, my VBulletin site has 23,561 members of whom 1,933 are currently online. Add to that, I have an attached e-commerce kiosk, and I don’t come anywhere close to spending $3,000 on the actual site itself. If he is spending that much, he needs to get off that server and webhost immediately.

He could get a Hostgator Business site for $5.95 a month and register his domain for $12 a year. Where is the rest of the $3,000 going?

Bill · 03-02-2018, 11:41am

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Originally Posted by Nox

I’m 100% certain... I just looked at some of the usage statistics. Vettebarn has 4,421 users of whom 305 are currently active. As a comparison, my VBulletin site has 23,561 members of whom 1,933 are currently online. Add to that, I have an attached e-commerce kiosk, and I don’t come anywhere close to spending $3,000 on the actual site itself. If he is spending that much, he needs to get off that server and webhost immediately.

He could get a Hostgator Business site for $5.95 a month and register his domain for $12 a year. Where is the rest of the $3,000 going?

I don't think any of us would begrudge someone from making a reasonable profit for their time and effort to keep this going. We aren't a charity, yet, at the same time, we aren't a golden goose for anyone, even if we suddenly took on advertisements.

FasterTraffic · 03-02-2018, 11:48am

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Originally Posted by Nox

He could get a Hostgator Business site for $5.95 a month and register his domain for $12 a year. Where is the rest of the $3,000 going?

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