The Everything Tesla/EV Argument Thread

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Now imagine where they'd be if they didn't get handed a $7500 head start on each car by daddy .gov.

There is no such head start in China, and yet Tesla sales are up over there, and the Model Y is still China's best selling EV.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

I knew it was a scam way back then.

I wasn't that quick on the uptake. As I recall, I had empathy for their goals. I didn't want mercury in fish or radiation hazards etc.

The problems came when it morphed from being ecologically responsible, to a monetized tool for total control of industry.

[ptindall]

There is another huge way the government has it's finger on the scales that's not even being discussed in this thread. ICE prices are artificially high and EV prices artificially low as a result.

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

I wasn't that quick on the uptake. As I recall, I had empathy for their goals. I didn't want mercury in fish or radiation hazards etc.

The problems came when it morphed from being ecologically responsible, to a monetized tool for total control of industry.

Thing is, it never was ecologically responsible. Not in 1890 and not in 2020. The juice was not then or now worth the squeeze.
Forest management, clean ICE vehicles, recycling, renewable resources, etc. are viable methods of us being responsible. It's just too bad that the other 85% of the planet could not care less.
It's like there are 1000 of us in the public pool, and there is only one man (American) not pissing in the water. It is what it is.
Anybody with an IQ of over 65 can see it's all about Virtue Signaling and power.

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by ptindall

There is another huge way the government has it's finger on the scales that's not even being discussed in this thread. ICE prices are artificially high and EV prices artificially low as a result.

Chrysler is going to lose their ass on this dumb decision and may not recover without extensive 'government' (our) money. What a bunch of dumb****s they have at the controls.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

Thing is, it never was ecologically responsible. Not in 1890 and not in 2020. The juice was not then or now worth the squeeze.
Forest management, clean ICE vehicles, recycling, renewable resources, etc. are viable methods of us being responsible. It's just too bad that the other 85% of the planet could not care less.
It's like there are 1000 of us in the public pool, and there is only one man (American) not pissing in the water. It is what it is.
Anybody with an IQ of over 65 can see it's all about Virtue Signaling and power.

I understand, but I'm also not going to let my house become a raccoon infested pig sty just because my neighbors let their house go to hell.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

There is no such head start in China, and yet Tesla sales are up over there, and the Model Y is still China's best selling EV.

Who cares?

I've been to China many times. I'm sure as hell not going to use it as a benchmark for ANYTHING.

With that said, yes, please tell us how good Tesla is doing in China...



https://www.forbes.com/sites/bethkin...h=433a8cf0215c

Cutting margins significantly... and still losing market share at an insane rate. Lookin' good.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Price sells.. If Chinese EV's enter the US market and they have better range and lower price than US EV's, they will sell great. I don't see myself getting one but price sells.

Uhmm. Ok.

I never said or even remotely implied otherwise.

And people who buy cheap shit deserve exactly what they get. Can't wait to grab some popcorn and watch.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

And people who buy cheap shit deserve exactly what they get. Can't wait to grab some popcorn and watch.

Better hope you're never on the same road with one of them...

[Onebadcad]

If we do not trust their paint, why would we drive their cars??

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

If we do not trust their paint, why would we drive their cars??

The same reason some people fly while crammed into the airplane like sardines while paying extra for checked baggage: all they see is the lowest price.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

The same reason some people fly while crammed into the airplane like sardines while paying extra for checked baggage: all they see is the lowest price.

Not just some people, most people.

[GTOguy]

I don't fly anymore because it's no longer required. Same with wearing a suit.
It's the one thing keeping me from going back to Europe for another visit or two.
After 2001, it's become unpleasant.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

I don't fly anymore because it's no longer required. Same with wearing a suit.
It's the one thing keeping me from going back to Europe for another visit or two.
After 2001, it's become unpleasant.

TSA Precheck, Global Entry and First Class make vacation flying tolerable.

I haven’t worn my suit in years. I like it that way.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

I don't fly anymore because it's no longer required. Same with wearing a suit.
It's the one thing keeping me from going back to Europe for another visit or two.
After 2001, it's become unpleasant.

The airlines are now flying greyhounds.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by LATB

The airlines are now flying greyhounds.

My wife and I flew to Europe in September of 2023 for a family wedding, and I convinced my wife to spend the money on business class to avoid dealing with the lowest of the riff raff. The flights were fine, but the "business class lounge" experience was more or less indiscernible from the "Walmart experience".

Being able to actually get some sleep on the way over was great, and worth at least some of the extra money we spent. But anyone expecting a "high class experience" would be sorrowfully disappointed.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Mick

My wife and I flew to Europe in September of 2023 for a family wedding, and I convinced my wife to spend the money on business class to avoid dealing with the lowest of the riff raff. The flights were fine, but the "business class lounge" experience was more or less indiscernible from the "Walmart experience".

Being able to actually get some sleep on the way over was great, and worth at least some of the extra money we spent. But anyone expecting a "high class experience" would be sorrowfully disappointed.

I plan to never board another airliner or see the inside of an airport again. The entire process is horrible.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by LATB

I plan to never board another airliner or see the inside of an airport again. The entire process is horrible.

I don't blame you for that.

The reality is that my family is pretty spread out across the US, and a couple of places in Europe. As a result, if I want to attend important family events, I often fly to the mid-west US, the Rockies, the West Coast, and Europe.

I don't love it, but I do it.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

I don't fly anymore because it's no longer required. Same with wearing a suit.
It's the one thing keeping me from going back to Europe for another visit or two.
After 2001, it's become unpleasant.

Have you considered booking passage on tramp steamer to Europe?

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Mick

I don't blame you for that.

The reality is that my family is pretty spread out across the US, and a couple of places in Europe. As a result, if I want to attend important family events, I often fly to the mid-west US, the Rockies, the West Coast, and Europe.

I don't love it, but I do it.

We used to go up to Baltimore pretty often to visit family and friends.
In 2020 we went up to bury dad and we have had enough.
Hell it seemed like half of our trips were to funerals. Mom. Dad. MIL. BIL x2. SIL…
We are done.