My daughter's car - burned to a crisp

[ColeTrickle]

Originally Posted by jw38

My daughter's 2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited caught fire today while I was driving it to my house to detail it. I'm pretty sure it was an electrical fire because the car several electrical issues that Jeep couldn't duplicate or resolve. The digital dashboard and the UConnect screens would go blank and wouldn't come back on unless the car was shut off and then restarted. It would also just die when stopped at a red light. It would restart right away, but it continued to do the same thing. Today, as I was driving it, the dashboard and UConnect screens went blank, came back on in a few seconds, and then went blank again. Then, I could feel the engine misfiring as though it was running out of gas, and then smoke started pouring out of the lower dashboard. I was able to pull off the side of the road and then I saw fire and black smoke coming from under the hood. I called 9-1-1 and the fire department and police arrived in less than 5 minutes. Unfortunately, I inhaled quite a bit of smoke and now I can't stop coughing. I'm seeing my PCP tomorrow. I'm just glad my daughter wasn't driving and my grandchildren weren't in the car!

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[Bruze]

Originally Posted by DDSLT5

As old as ICE? Nope. Quite a bit older actually. You're right about more EVs on the road than Steam, and eventually ICE. Of course ICE was way more convenient and it beat both EV and Steam to hell and back again.

Laptop EVs are a nice first attempt at a modern reinterpretation, but ultimately, real people (not religious assholes) want to fill er up in 5 minutes, not 5 hours. Thus, GM just joined Honda for their hydrogen powered EV car, the Clarity. Top Gear's hosts announced that it is the real solution about 15 years ago, and they were correct. Hybrids are the best compromise for now, while countries decide if they wish to install hydrogen filling stations like Honda has done in California. Bottom line, if we can fill er up in 5 minutes.......it'll likely gain acceptance with the masses. If not.......**** off.

The starting point in this discussion:

Are you okay with government FORCING EVs on us, and regulating IC vehicles out of existence? -- as is currently going on. Why do you think politicians, world-wide, are so interested in pushing this? I am not okay with government forcing anything on me.

RED: What is it we're trying to solve, that needs a "solution"? We are not running out of oil nor out of energy, and "for the environment" is just a canard, an emotional tool to push a radical political agenda.

[ricks327]

Originally Posted by Bruze

The starting point in this discussion:

Are you okay with government FORCING EVs on us, and regulating IC vehicles out of existence? -- as is currently going on. Why do you think politicians, world-wide, are so interested in pushing this? I am not okay with government forcing anything on me.

RED: What is it we're trying to solve, that needs a "solution"? We are not running out of oil nor out of energy, and "for the environment" is just a canard, an emotional tool to push a radical political agenda.

Exactly, shove it down our throat. Let the new tech evolve by general acceptance of the public.

[sublime1996525]

I’m glad you’re mostly fine and were able to get out of the Jeep. Hopefully they will come through. I wonder if the B2B warranty is still intact? If not, I wonder if they’ll still do everything to make it right.

[Unsuspicious]

Originally Posted by sublime1996525

I’m glad you’re mostly fine and were able to get out of the Jeep. Hopefully they will come through. I wonder if the B2B warranty is still intact? If not, I wonder if they’ll still do everything to make it right.

Would making everything right include issuing a recall? Hmm

[DDSLT5]

Originally Posted by Bruze

The starting point in this discussion:

Are you okay with government FORCING EVs on us, and regulating IC vehicles out of existence? -- as is currently going on. Why do you think politicians, world-wide, are so interested in pushing this? I am not okay with government forcing anything on me.

RED: What is it we're trying to solve, that needs a "solution"? We are not running out of oil nor out of energy, and "for the environment" is just a canard, an emotional tool to push a radical political agenda.

I wasn't discussing regulation. I don't think the government should have ANYTHING to do with speculation about the future, other than speculating that the debt the US has is going to destroy the country.

The real push here is that the liberals think that there are too many people on earth. Thus, there must be a reduction, and measures put in to exert total control over the population. Covid was a first try. Now climate change is another try. The key is to sell the concept that the world is going to end in 100 years IF we don't all live in poverty today. Then tell you that you must feel guilty for destroying your children's future. Seems reasonable, right?

Sorry - I'm not buying what the governments of the world are selling.

[6spdC6]

As a person that came dam close to being cooked alive in a car fire in 2016 I have made this observation. Its far from scientific and my opinion only.

It appears more vehicles after a crash are burning. I do not know why. It could be thinner more flimsily plastic gas tanks, bad plumbing on lines that contain volatile liquids, serious other design faults. I watch my local news and read 3 papers and I can note but not prove why.

This was written about normal petrol powered cars/trucks. The EVs are in their own category. I know a couple people high up in NYS Fire and they are not happy about the newer vechicles and some batteries!

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by 6spdC6

As a person that came dam close to being cooked alive in a car fire in 2016 I have made this observation. Its far from scientific and my opinion only.

It appears more vehicles after a crash are burning. I do not know why. It could be thinner more flimsily plastic gas tanks, bad plumbing on lines that contain volatile liquids, serious other design faults. I watch my local news and read 3 papers and I can note but not prove why.

This was written about normal petrol powered cars/trucks. The EVs are in their own category. I know a couple people high up in NYS Fire and they are not happy about the newer vechicles and some batteries!

I would attribute it to Fuel Injection. The rail under pressure probably turns a leak in to a flame thrower. Carbs drip FI sprays.

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

I would attribute it to Fuel Injection. The rail under pressure probably turns a leak in to a flame thrower. Carbs drip FI sprays.

Agreed. Even with the pump off, de-activated by a roll-over or impact switch, the static pressure in the rail can be 40-90 psi. If you've ever hit the Schrader valve on a fuel rail under pressure, the fuel sprays out fast and far... and instantly. And all the plastic underhood components, even the new plastic inake manifolds and valve covers and engine covers will burn. Unlike the old-school carbureted car with metal intakes, valve covers, and air filter housings.

[6spdC6]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

I would attribute it to Fuel Injection. The rail under pressure probably turns a leak in to a flame thrower. Carbs drip FI sprays.

Originally Posted by GTOguy

Agreed. Even with the pump off, de-activated by a roll-over or impact switch, the static pressure in the rail can be 40-90 psi. If you've ever hit the Schrader valve on a fuel rail under pressure, the fuel sprays out fast and far... and instantly. And all the plastic underhood components, even the new plastic inake manifolds and valve covers and engine covers will burn. Unlike the old-school carbureted car with metal intakes, valve covers, and air filter housings.

Thanks guys, as a member of the carburetor and ignition points generation I did not think of that. Hey you will get older also!-

[Bruze]

Originally Posted by 6spdC6

Thanks guys, as a member of the carburetor and ignition points generation I did not think of that. Hey you will get older also!-

And with all the modern S A A A F E T Y!!! regulations handed down from our superiors in Washington, one would think modern cars would be way safer than the old ones.

I drove plenty of junkers when I was young, and whatever since then, never had anything close to a fire.

Cars I stored over the winter, I would pop the air cleaner off in the spring and splash some gas down the carb before cranking it, so it would start easier. No fires.

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by 6spdC6

Thanks guys, as a member of the carburetor and ignition points generation I did not think of that. Hey you will get older also!-

I currently have 7 vehicles with carburetors and ignition points. And have had for decades. Stone age tech for the long haul win!!