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Remember the bakery that refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding?
To refresh your memory, in 2013, "Sweetcakes by Melissa" was put out of business by Oregon Democrat Brad Avakian who was the commissioner of the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries. This was all due to Melissa and Aaron Klein standing up for their religious convictions. They were fined $135,000 for refusing to make a cake for a gay marriage–the State also garnished their bank accounts to cover the fines. After everything was completed, Klein said the State took $144,000 from them.
This year, in the recent election, the voters fought back. In fact, they ended Avakian’s run for Oregon Secretary of State. Instead, they voted in Republican Dennis Richardson–this is the first time in 14 years a Republican has won the State office. Oregon is a solidly blue state–-perhaps, some voters are starting to wake up? Aaron Kline, a talk show host, said, "His losing was a good sign that people don’t agree with somebody who is anti-constitutional to the nth degree. He never recognized our religious constitutional rights in his office. He just ignored them. And then he went off-kilter with ideas about what he wanted to do in his new office. He used his office to execute a personal bias and I think people thought he’d do the same with Secretary of State." The Kleins can never recoup what has been stolen from their business. Oregon Politician Who Bullied Christian Bakery Gets Taken Down in Election |
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They elected a Republican in Oregon?
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Actually, the entire state is Republican except for the Portland and Eugene areas.
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If I lost that kind of money to a .gov agency, I would absolutely go postal.
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Hillary won 10 of 36 counties in Oregon.
In Washington State, Hillary only won 7 of 39 counties. The most politically conservative state in the country, Idaho, sits next door to us. |
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I would love to see a map of those states that shows the voting results for the marijuana legalization.
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I get the whole "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" thing...it's their prerogative to do this. But on a human level, I think it was kind of a shitty thing to do. Now these people have lost their business as a result. FWIW...I don't agree with what the politician did either. Talk about grandstanding.
In a time where we have a nation full of tattletales, people really need to ask themselves if their form of protest is worth the possible anguish. Some idiot millennial probably has a broken hip because she thought her protest (a protest over nothing, BTW) was worth standing in front of a speeding car. Seriously??? I mean, come on people. No one's asking you to preside over a gay wedding. It's a damn cake. |
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wow that is a ;
very hefty fine, indeed |
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By this same logic, should a bakery be forced to bake a cake with a swastika for a gay skinhead's wedding? How about a caterer refusing to cater that same skinhead's gay wedding? |
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I just think the whole thing is a little silly and it could have been handled a lot better. I mean...losing your business over a cake? Vator is right: If you're running a business, it's really supposed to be about profit. |
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Yes, businesses are in it to make money. Does that mean that if I own a cigar shop that I should be forced to sell weed and bongs since my state has passed a recreational pot law? Extreme example? Of course, but since it is only about making money I shouldn't care even if I am against smoking pot. Not picking on you Chef, just raising a couple of points of the slippery slope when government gets involved. |
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In my mind, those people should have just quoted out the wazoo for the cake and let the customer decide. They'd still have their business and some healthy profits too. Don't use the business to send a message. Take the money and live the moral high road instead.
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Upon being railroaded, I would have withdrawn every dime from any known bank and opened up a vault in another bank and let the $$$ set there in my box or if they have ways to follow that.....find a hole in the ground in a relative's back yard....or send the $$ in the mail to a family member in cash.....DAMN if one dime going to the effing .gov or any liberal cause de jeur.....
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I (meaning me personally) just don't care for it when people let their ideology influence their business practices. |
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If the gay friend says he's suing XYZ Bakery to force them to make a cake, I'll start buying a cupcake (or six) every day. Don't be an a**hole. Like what Iron Chef said, if it were my bakery, I'd happily take, say, Gavin Newsom's money for a cake. I'd be thrilled to read in the paper that Gavin Newsom was struck by lightning, but his money is just as green as everyone else's. |
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Questions:
1. If the bakery was asked to make a Kosher cake, would /could they be forced to comply? 2. If the KKK wanted a white hood cake, would they have gotten complete support by the same people that condemn them now? 3. If it was called Christian Bible Bakery, should the gay couple have had an expectation different than what they had? |
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