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And Blacks wanna preserve their Black heritage. |
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There is no movement or undercurrent to remove any other symbols of heritage except for Southern ones. I can't celebrate or express mine without being labeled as a racist. |
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My point is this; there's Blacks in this country. American citizens with the same rights you have. I'm not saying you shouldn't celebrate your heritage, (You should see my mothers side of he family on St. Patrick's Day. Holy hell) but you should be mindful of the slavery issue. <shrug> |
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Straight from Abe, himself. Executive Mansion, Washington, August 22, 1862. Hon. Horace Greeley: Dear Sir. I have just read yours of the 19th. addressed to myself through the New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not, now and here, controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here, argue against them. If there be perceptable in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have always supposed to be right. As to the policy I "seem to be pursuing" as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt. I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views. I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free. Yours, A. Lincoln. |
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Hating the south because of slavery is like not wanting to own a C7 solely because of the taillights.
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The whole damn 'controversy' is nothing but a trumped up bunch of BS to distract the media from covering stories with some real true meaning, ie current events in the Fed.gov So the communists in this regime can do more damage, and not have anyone say a thing about it....it's all THAT damn simple...
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I'm not saying I'm right and all of you are wrong. I'm just putting my thoughts out there.
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Well, at least we aren't letting a crisis go to waste, and thankfully doing things we couldn't do before. I'm sure the 9 dead churchgoers would be proud with what is being done in their names.
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I understand and also that you and I have the freedom to do just that. Thanks to too many military service members that suffered and died to provide us the freedom to express things. But the freedom to display anything of Southern heritage is being taken away and that is a direct insult to those in the military that fought, suffered, and died for it.
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I believe the NRA is studying this turn of events very closely. It's an object lesson in how quickly social media can turn the tide of public opinion and exponentially galvanize a body of people who formerly may have had opinion but were apathetic to action. Social media enabled action without effort on an issue. The horror of the Charleston shootings is a focal point for public reaction against gun violence with the Confederate flag offering a safe, symbolic surrogate to react against. A key difference between the current kerfluffle about the Confederate flag and gun control is that there is no monied lobby for the Confederate flag, hence no real downside for politicians or corporations to line up with the sudden tidal change of public opinion. On the other hand, the well funded and well organized NRA for several decades has framed the gun control debate with a "the best defense is a good offense" strategy and kept the passion of gun rights defenders alive and in the forefront. Thus, gun rights are defended vigorously by a segment of the population who cares very much about the issue. The passion for gun control has not been fanned in a similar organized way. Therefore gun control has become a "third rail" issue for politicians -- touch it and die (politically). Not so with the Confederate flag. Politicians who were initially reluctant quickly discovered which way the current of public opinion was running and jumped in. |
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We do living histories at battlefield parks. We can't display a Confederate flag anymore. The gift shops are no longer allowed to sell merchandise with a flag on it. ANY group can have specialty tags made and recv. part of the profit from the state. The SCV was doing this in several states and now are being prohibited.
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Related news...a news story last night in Houston was about a guy that had a rebel flag flying and it was set on fire by vandals. The best way to stop an undesired behavior is to make it no longer cost effective to do it. That is the .gov model. "Sure people, you are free to do these things, but we will tax it, remove federal funding, or make you jump through hoops to do it." |
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