Trump may have managed to blow up both major parties.

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by TxAg

Let's get back to what I originally posted that has been completely ignored.

Here it is again and it's the truth:




That's it. Plain and simple.

It's not Trump. It's not anything the Republicans or conservatives did.

It's all on the power-hungry arrogance of the Clinton's.

And like I said next, if anyone outside the Clinton's deserves credit it's Julian Assange and the WikiLeaks folks.

They've done more in the past 2-3 weeks than the GOP, GOPe or conservatives have done in decades.

You're over analyzing this.
Let me put it very simple terms for you.
If Trump wasn't the candidate, it would be the same status quo, business as usual, political, bureaucratic, scumbag deal making politician, election, as usual.
Trump has shaken the apple cart to the core,.

[boracayjohnny]

TxAg, you and Jeff are both right. It's the combo of what Hildabeast has done and Trump. There's just no way weak ass Jeb! as the 'pub nominee would've had this much support. Even with Hildabeast' record, Jeb! would be even with her at best. And verbally punking her ass in debates would never happen.

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by boracayjohnny

TxAg, you and Jeff are both right. It's the combo of what Hildabeast has done and Trump. There's just no way weak ass Jeb! as the 'pub nominee would've had this much support. Even with Hildabeast' record, Jeb! would be even with her at best. And verbally punking her ass in debates would never happen.

Yep.
Trump is calling everyone and everything out for what they are.
Shit we think and say privately, he says publicly.
It's about friggin' time.

[Fasglas]

Originally Posted by TxAg

That's your opinion.

And that doesn't negate anything I stated.

It's not about "over analyzing" it's about facts.

Fact is Trump didn't have a thing to those emails getting released.

It's the released emails which have taken down the Democratic party (and maybe, if we're fortunate, the Clintons).

Nope. The e-Mails would have been a minor notation, were it not for Trump. ANY of the original candidates, other than Trump, would have yawned and not said two words about them.

Julian Assange realizes this. The material could have been released ANYTIME, but wasn't. Any idea why?

[JRD77VET]

Originally Posted by TxAg

IMHO, I agree w/you Jeb! would likely not have near as much vocal support.

That said, nothing anyone has posted discounts what I've said nor proven what Cyber has, IMHO incorrectly, asserted.

It has been the emails being made public which has hurt Hillary and the Democratic party.

Let's go back to the Democratic convention and the emails which were leaked then.

They came out and exposed the DNC for the corrupt organization it is (granted many of us already knew that).

Trump didn't release them nor did he obtain them.

Who did? Assange and WikiLeaks.


What I honestly don't get is why people in this thread are not able to have the guts to say it wasn't Trump but it was someone else.

Did Trump take advantage of the leaks? Yes! No doubt about it (as he should have).

But he did NOT obtain them or release them.

Assange and WikiLeaks did and they deserved the credit, not him.

Trying to give credit to Trump is akin to plagiarism (taking credit for someone else's work).

I thought we were above and against that.

Trump made sure they were kept in the news. What other politicians did that? None seem to have the guts to says something about them other that the normal " fuss and complain" the day they came out.

I completely agree with you that Trump did not obtain them, just used them to show the corruption that was brought to everyone's attention.

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by TxAg

IMHO, I agree w/you Jeb! would likely not have near as much vocal support.

That said, nothing anyone has posted discounts what I've said nor proven what Cyber has, IMHO incorrectly, asserted.

It has been the emails being made public which has hurt Hillary and the Democratic party.

Let's go back to the Democratic convention and the emails which were leaked then.

They came out and exposed the DNC for the corrupt organization it is (granted many of us already knew that).

Trump didn't release them nor did he obtain them.

Who did? Assange and WikiLeaks.


What I honestly don't get is why people in this thread are not able to have the guts to say it wasn't Trump but it was someone else.

Did Trump take advantage of the leaks? Yes! No doubt about it (as he should have).

But he did NOT obtain them or release them.

Assange and WikiLeaks did and they deserved the credit, not him.

Trying to give credit to Trump is akin to plagiarism (taking credit for someone else's work).

I thought we were above and against that.

What I'm saying is Trump and the emails are separate. Together they make a huge deal. Imo, Trump is not taking credit for the emails, he's using them as one uses a tool. He's also using Hildabeast' history against her. It's a lengthy and often criminal history too. Further, I agree with you also, Assange saw Trump as a great tool to use in releasing the emails. For that, yes, Assange does get all the credit for releasing the emails.

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by TxAg

At this point I'm honestly done trying.

Believe what ever you want to believe.

Attribute anything you want to anyone you want.

Vote for whom ever you want.

Drink what ever kool-aid you want if it makes you feel better.

I'm done trying to get people to put down their glasses of it, for maybe one minute, and see the world with clear eyes.

Enjoy the echo chamber.

Later.

Wow....
Thank you for your permission.

[Fasglas]

Originally Posted by boracayjohnny

What I'm saying is Trump and the emails are separate. Together they make a huge deal. Imo, Trump is not taking credit for the emails, he's using them as one uses a tool. He's also using Hildabeast' history against her. It's a lengthy and often criminal history too. Further, I agree with you also, Assange saw Trump as a great tool to use in releasing the emails. For that, yes, Assange does get all the credit for releasing the emails.

Pretty much what I alluded to earlier. Nothing more, nothing less.

[SnikPlosskin]

Trump turned out to be the right candidate. Everyone of those other 16 men (almost all very solid choices) would have folded under the Clinton Destruction Machine. Trump is tough as nails. (I had no idea - I didn't know hardly anything about him previously)

I'm pretty impressed with his fearless tenacity.

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by SnakePlissken

Trump turned out to be the right candidate. Everyone of those other 16 men (almost all very solid choices) would have folded under the Clinton Destruction Machine. Trump is tough as nails. (I had no idea - I didn't know hardly anything about him previously)

I'm pretty impressed with his fearless tenacity.

I've read Trump runs a very good psy ops campaign. I suppose becoming a billionaire, among other things, lets one do things many can't afford.

[Jeff '79]

All of a sudden, I like watching the Sunday morning national news again.



Thomas... You done with her yet?

[WalkerInTN]

Trying to give Trump credit seems like reaching for straws.

Never been to the Wikileaks website, but I don't think they can be ignored for what they've done with the whole email thing. They've released batches of emails weekly, keeping that story fresh. It's new news every single week.

It's not like Trump is talking about a 6 month old event, he's just talking about current stuff, like everyone else does. Everyone would still be talking about the emails if weak ass Jeb had won instead of Trump.

Wikileaks has had a whole lot more to do with the FBI reopening the case than Trump does.

[Jeff '79]

From a 50-38 percent Clinton lead over Donald Trump in the tracking poll’s first four days, Oct. 20-23, it’s a 47-45 percent contest in the latest results. The movement has been in Trump’s favor, +7, while the -3 in Clinton’s support is not significant, given the sample size.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by SnakePlissken

Trump turned out to be the right candidate. Everyone of those other 16 men (almost all very solid choices) would have folded under the Clinton Destruction Machine. Trump is tough as nails. (I had no idea - I didn't know hardly anything about him previously)

I'm pretty impressed with his fearless tenacity.

Here is the thing. If I had several billion dollars and it cost me several hundred million for the country to hear everything from my perspective, you would all know where I stand. I'd never get elected, but when I DIDN'T get elected, I am still a billionaire, and everyone knows where I stand.

He had nothing to gain, little to lose. That alone is a VERY compelling reason to vote for him. That is what got my attention. Long ago, at first attack, he could have said fk it and walked away...but he didn't and that tells me he genuinely wants to get the job done.

[Fasglas]

Originally Posted by aerovette

Here is the thing. If I had several billion dollars and it cost me several hundred million for the country to hear everything from my perspective, you would all know where I stand. I'd never get elected, but when I DIDN'T get elected, I am still a billionaire, and everyone knows where I stand.

He had nothing to gain, little to lose. That alone is a VERY compelling reason to vote for him. That is what got my attention. Long ago, at first attack, he could have said fk it and walked away...but he didn't and that tells me he genuinely wants to get the job done.

Well said.

DJT is not at all interested in furthering the status quo. THIS is what many in Washington, on BOTH sides of the aisle truly fear. The gravy train ends with Trump's election.

There will be very few that survive the transition process and faced with finding REAL employment truly frightens them. Most have never had to do that.

IMO, the government should be run as a business, which it really is. Who better to lead than an accomplished business person who will, in all probability, surround himself with similar thinking people.

Politics, as we've come to know it, is about to change.

[Jeff '79]

And on the brighter side of the news

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by Fasglas

Well said.

DJT is not at all interested in furthering the status quo. THIS is what many in Washington, on BOTH sides of the aisle truly fear. The gravy train ends with Trump's election.

There will be very few that survive the transition process and faced with finding REAL employment truly frightens them. Most have never had to do that.

IMO, the government should be run as a business, which it really is. Who better to lead than an accomplished business person who will, in all probability, surround himself with similar thinking people.

Politics, as we've come to know it, is about to change.

I hope to hell you are correct, BUT that damn ditch/trench they been digging for about 60 years is long and deep, going to take a major CAT machine to fill it in, and lay about a 2' slab of Titanium reinforced concrete slab all over that town.......

[Fasglas]

Originally Posted by mrvette

I hope to hell you are correct, BUT that damn ditch/trench they been digging for about 60 years is long and deep, going to take a major CAT machine to fill it in, and lay about a 2' slab of Titanium reinforced concrete slab all over that town.......

Not to worry, DJT is certainly up to the task, looking forward to it, actually.