LEO in Miranda case has died at 87

[Allan]

Retired Phoenix Police Capt. Carroll Cooley, the arresting officer in the landmark case partially responsible for the Supreme Court’s Miranda rights ruling that requires suspects be read their rights, has died, the department confirmed Friday.

On March 13, 1963, Cooley arrested Ernesto Miranda in the kidnap and rape of an 18-year-old Phoenix woman. Miranda was eventually convicted based on his handwritten confession and sentenced to 20-30 years in prison.

Miranda appealed, and the case eventually went up to the U.S. Supreme Court, which issued a 1966 ruling overturning the conviction, saying that suspects should be advised of their constitutional rights against self-incrimination and to an attorney before questioning.

That decision, along with three other similar cases that were bundled together, led to the so-called “Miranda rights” or “Miranda warning,” which is familiar to anyone who has watched a police procedural drama on television.

After the Supreme Court overturned his conviction, Miranda remained in jail on another conviction and was convicted again of raping and kidnapping the 18-year-old. Prosecutors at the second trial didn’t use the confession and instead relied on testimony from a woman who was close to Miranda.

After he was paroled, Miranda was fatally stabbed in February 1976 in a dispute during a card game at a downtown Phoenix bar.

During his career with Phoenix police, Cooley worked in the city’s Maryvale precinct, the general investigations bureau, and the police academy. He rose to become captain, a rank the department said is equivalent to commander today.

[Bill]

There are a whole bunch of things I wish schools would teach kids, things everyone should know before they're let loose on society as adults. We used to have a course called civics, but even that, as I recall, didn't teach what people needed to know. It used to be that parents filled in the gap, but these days, there are so many parents that fail their kids.

Kids need to be taught and TESTED on things like how to balance a checkbook, how credit works, how credit cards work, how banks and investments work, taxes, how payday loans work, and the true cost of all of that.

With regard to the OP, every kid should be taught, tested, and retested on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Kids should be taught and tested on what their rights and responsibilities are when they encounter the police, and when they're taught to drive, they should be taught and tested on their rights, and responsibilities when they are driving and stopped by the police.

If everyone, citizen and cop alike were well versed on the rules, what each side can and cannot do, and how to act, we could avoid a lot of the crazy stuff we see happening everywhere.

While much of this curriculum can be streamlined nationally, like knowing what the Border Patrol is allowed to do, and what they aren't allowed to do, for example, some of this education has to be based on the state it's being taught in. Some states apparently allow stop and show your papers checkpoints, while others, like Texas, don't. Kids have to be taught what they're required to do if they face one of those.

As to the Miranda Rights, I think by this time, it's a useless exercise, that was never really helpful, because by the time it's required to be read, many people have probably already said incriminating stuff anyway.

And as a public service to the VB, I present this handy video:

Some of you, you know who you are, need to know this.

YouTube

[Louie Detroit]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

With regard to the OP, every kid should be
And as a public service to the VB, I present this handy video:

Some of you, you know who you are, need to know this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcZoCY7fUXg

How much time a day do you spend watching and searching out paranoid videos of self appointed jailhouse lawyer types whose only apparent interest in life appears to be having tense interactions with cops, Bill?

And how soon before you go full blown Sovereign Citizen on us?

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Louie Detroit

How much time a day do you spend watching and searching out paranoid videos of self appointed jailhouse lawyer types whose only apparent interest in life appears to be having tense interactions with cops, Bill?

And how soon before you go full blown Sovereign Citizen on us?

Those guys are apparently real, actual lawyers in California. I thought it was funny, sorry it offended you.

You also missed the complete point of my post, which was, everyone in American should know some basic things. I don't think that's lunatic fringe thinking.

[73sbVert]

The only words you need to know in Commie-fornia (especially regarding gun/firearm possession in your vehicle) are:
"I do not consent to warrantless searches". Keep repeating that, and "Am I being detained?"

[Louie Detroit]

Originally Posted by 73sbVert

The only words you need to know in Commie-fornia (especially regarding gun/firearm possession in your vehicle) are:
"I do not consent to warrantless searches". Keep repeating that, and "Am I being detained?"

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[GTOguy]

bill_daniels ROCKS. I agree 100%. So many parents fail their kids. And then the teachers finish the job. It's a mess.