The MAGA President Remade America as a Shithole Country

[Rodnok1]

Originally Posted by JetMechZ16

What's Bidens agenda again?? Oh ya, Orange man bad!!

Yep blame Trump for everything including the kung flu.. Then fuk the country up worse than Obama.

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by Rodnok1

Yep blame Trump for everything including the kung flu.. Then fuk the country up worse than Obama.

Obama fixed an economy that was a shambles due to a real estate bubble that was allowed to happen because of Republican monetary policy.
How did Obama fk the country up again?
You make statements with no back-up. That's rich

[Rodnok1]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

Obama fixed an economy that was a shambles due to a real estate bubble that was allowed to happen because of Republican monetary policy.
How did Obama fk the country up again?
You make statements with no back-up. That's rich

Obamacare fuked insurance up beyond belief, doubled my costs for everything and benefits are less so there's one for ya.

Made the lieing fuking troll Hillary Sec of State...

The great “stimulus” theft, Obama grabbed a trillion dollars for “stimulus” spending, but created almlst no non govt jobs, a great deal of the money vanished and spent the rest of his presidency complaining he needed hundreds of billions more to repair roads and bridges.

My economic situation(and outlook) is way better now than under Obama...

[Strats-N-Vettes]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

Obama fixed an economy that was a shambles due to a real estate bubble that was allowed to happen because of Republican monetary policy.

pfffft....Obama couldn't fix his wife's dik with two shots of penicillin and a scalpel more or less the economy.

“job’s aren’t coming back”

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by Rodnok1

Obamacare fuked insurance up beyond belief, doubled my costs for everything and benefits are less so there's one for ya.

Made the lieing fuking troll Hillary Sec of State...

The great “stimulus” theft, Obama grabbed a trillion dollars for “stimulus” spending, but created almlst no non govt jobs, a great deal of the money vanished and spent the rest of his presidency complaining he needed hundreds of billions more to repair roads and bridges.

My economic situation(and outlook) is way better now than under Obama...

With the great stimulus Theft, as you say, he saved Chevrolet and Chrysler and a shit ton of jobs. I do agree that Darwin should have run rampant and cleaned the house, but that could have been disastrous for the country.
A great deal of money is vanishing during the Trump administration, make no mistake about it. His contribution to the deficit will be legendary.
As far as jobs, the economy needed to heal before the job creation occurred and that happened late in Obama's admin and carried over into Trump's who likes to take credit for something that was set up by the Obama Admin.
Biden will inherit a total shit show of an economy next.... Thank The Donald for that.

[Strats-N-Vettes]

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[Strats-N-Vettes]

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[Olustee bus]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

Obama fixed an economy that was a shambles due to a real estate bubble that was allowed to happen because of Republican monetary policy.
How did Obama fk the country up again?
You make statements with no back-up. That's rich

Oh hell no it was not. Were you not alive at that time?

Oh, I forgot who we were dealing with, facts just don't matter, do they.

https://reason.com/2012/10/14/clinto...al-and-housin/

[Strats-N-Vettes]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

ttt

cry it out...
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[Strats-N-Vettes]

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[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Originally Posted by Strats-N-Vettes

cry it out...
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Holy shit. That is equal parts disturbing and hilarious.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

With the great stimulus Theft, as you say, he saved Chevrolet and Chrysler and a shit ton of jobs. I do agree that Darwin should have run rampant and cleaned the house, but that could have been disastrous for the country.
A great deal of money is vanishing during the Trump administration, make no mistake about it. His contribution to the deficit will be legendary.
As far as jobs, the economy needed to heal before the job creation occurred and that happened late in Obama's admin and carried over into Trump's who likes to take credit for something that was set up by the Obama Admin.
Biden will inherit a total shit show of an economy next.... Thank The Donald for that.

I don't see this as a positive. Poorly run businesses need to get right, or die.

The money vanishing in the Trump administration and the deficit is due to propping up society while the Dems insist on crushing the economy and pumping fear in to people.

Obama said the economy COULDN'T be fixed and there is no magic wand. Sounds like he gave up and Trump didn't. Explain how the economy is STILL improving with all that is going on currently.

It's clear you hate him. Probably not as much as I hate Hillary or Obama, but EVEN hating them, if they did a damn thing that was positive, I would concede that they did so. I have absolutely NOTHING however. Being the first black anything is not an accomplishment unless you had some control over being black. He didn't. Neither does Harris. Being the first black to break the sound barrier, still makes you the 10,000th PERSON to do it. Your pigment doesn't make you exceptional. It simply means you finally caught up to the rest of the class.

"Oh honey-child you should be so proud. You're the first man in this family to make it to 50 without being arrested".

I don't say that to be racist, I say it because (as Kid Rock pointed out) doing what you are SUPPOSED to do is NOT special.

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by aerovette

I don't see this as a positive. Poorly run businesses need to get right, or die.

The money vanishing in the Trump administration and the deficit is due to propping up society while the Dems insist on crushing the economy and pumping fear in to people.

Obama said the economy COULDN'T be fixed and there is no magic wand. Sounds like he gave up and Trump didn't. Explain how the economy is STILL improving with all that is going on currently.

It's clear you hate him. Probably not as much as I hate Hillary or Obama, but EVEN hating them, if they did a damn thing that was positive, I would concede that they did so. I have absolutely NOTHING however. Being the first black anything is not an accomplishment unless you had some control over being black. He didn't. Neither does Harris. Being the first black to break the sound barrier, still makes you the 10,000th PERSON to do it. Your pigment doesn't make you exceptional. It simply means you finally caught up to the rest of the class.

"Oh honey-child you should be so proud. You're the first man in this family to make it to 50 without being arrested".

I don't say that to be racist, I say it because (as Kid Rock pointed out) doing what you are SUPPOSED to do is NOT special.

No point in arguing with you, as you're always right.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

No point in arguing with you, as you're always right.

That's not true. I'm just rarely proven wrong. That doesn't mean I'm right, it means the other side doesn't try.

If facts/numbers/data that is RELIABLE, proves me wrong, I am certainly not above saying I was. It has happened.

My thoughts on bailing out carmakers is opinion so that can't really be proven either way. In my opinion a business should not be MADE to survive. It does nothing to motivate them to succeed. GM dodged millions of dollars in lawsuits by sidestepping them under a "reforming" of the company. That's complete bullshit. Granted, it was legal, but that law should change.

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by aerovette

That's not true. I'm just rarely proven wrong. That doesn't mean I'm right, it means the other side doesn't try.

If facts/numbers/data that is RELIABLE, proves me wrong, I am certainly not above saying I was. It has happened.

My thoughts on bailing out carmakers is opinion so that can't really be proven either way. In my opinion a business should not be MADE to survive. It does nothing to motivate them to succeed. GM dodged millions of dollars in lawsuits by sidestepping them under a "reforming" of the company. That's complete bullshit. Granted, it was legal, but that law should change.

I see things one way and you see them another.
I'm just getting tired of arguing.

[The_Dude]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

I see things one way and you see them another.
I'm just getting tired of arguing.

It really is pointless.

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by The_Dude

It really is pointless.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by The_Dude

It really is pointless.

I don't think so. I see it as a learning opportunity. An opposing view comes up and it prompts me to go read for myself and see if it changes my mind or offers some detail that I wasn't aware of. Most of the time I can find the flaw and I offer that in return. That "should" prompt the other person to do the same. Name calling is a waste of time, but REAL debate has value.

[The_Dude]

Originally Posted by aerovette

I don't think so. I see it as a learning opportunity. An opposing view comes up and it prompts me to go read for myself and see if it changes my mind or offers some detail that I wasn't aware of. Most of the time I can find the flaw and I offer that in return. That "should" prompt the other person to do the same. Name calling is a waste of time, but REAL debate has value.

I suppose. I just haven't ever seen anyone change their mind because of an internet debate. It is good to see the other side's point of view, but we can always find things to support our own views.
I do like to read these threads just to see how other people think. Rarely are the debates civil, so I'd rather not participate.

[Raazor]

Originally Posted by The_Dude

I suppose. I just haven't ever seen anyone change their mind because of an internet debate. It is good to see the other side's point of view, but we can always find things to support our own views.
I do like to read these threads just to see how other people think. Rarely are the debates civil, so I'd rather not participate.

Posting here about it or 'sharing' those bullshit memes on FB is all a waste of time. Nobody cares and nobody is going to change their minds.

I've got 3/4 of my 'friends' on "snooze" for 30 days. One more time after that oughta do it